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Bill Hatcher Member From: Atlanta Ga. USA |
posted 18 November 2005 02:01 PM
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Garth Brooks sounds fake to me. All that goofy crap he does with his voice to make you think he is a country singer. How could anyone fall for that!! You guys need to buy you some Webb Pierce records and get back to ground zero. Ya'll done lost your perspective on what's real and what's just biz. |
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Frank Speights Member From: Powder Springs, Georgia, USA |
posted 18 November 2005 03:21 PM
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Bill, I agree with you. I would rather listen to a good Conway, Bill Walker, Mel, or George song. The problem as I see it today the Country Music industry is driven by money. Just like other things such as NASCAR and professional sports. I also agree with Charlie Davidson about Garth destroying guitars during one of his shows. I would like to see country music back to where it was in the 50s, 60s and early 70s. I need to shut and go eat supper. |
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Ron Sodos Member From: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA |
posted 18 November 2005 03:21 PM
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That last comment is my opinion as well. His yodeling technique sounds awful. I never heard a song he ever did that sounded pleasing to my ear. It always irritates me and sounds contrived. Just plain old bad music. I always wondered how country fans could be fooled by his fake country sound. His on stage antics undermine country music and insult all the sincere artists before and still to come. |
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Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
posted 18 November 2005 04:33 PM
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Steve,I'm sure you were refering to some one else about personal attacks,but just wanted to take this opportunity to tell the forum members,Sometimes I'm a hardheaded,opinionated old Knuckle head,I speak my mind[and hate political correctness]I will Never attack anyone personal on this forum,No matter how much they disagree with me.They have as much right to their opinion as I do mine[except maybe for J.W.,but I can handle him]The only thing I will attack with venom is the [MU-SICK]industry,with no apology.Just think if every one here agreed on every thing ,how boring would that be.We can all debate hot issues and still keep it CIVIL,No matter how far apart our opinion's are.It's no world catastrophe that I may think Garth is a jerk,and someone else thinks he the greatest thing since indoor plumbing,So what. |
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Keith Cordell Member From: Atlanta |
posted 18 November 2005 05:49 PM
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Again, I don't "hate" anyone on the basis of music. I get irritated that people still talk about Garth as a country artist, as he never was; the reason we are cursed with Big & Rich today is Garth Brooks' doing. The show is more important than the music. If he marketed himself as a rock act, I'd applaud him, maybe even give him a closer listen... as it is, country music in the popular perception is forever destroyed, never to be recovered as the genuine music of the American COUNTRY folks. there is about as much gritty reality, or true introspection, in all the Garth Brooks tunes combined as there is in any one line in a Loretta Lynn song. |
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Chuck Cusimano Member From: Weatherford, Texas, USA |
posted 19 November 2005 11:02 AM
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Funny, that last night where I was playing a "COUNTRY GIG", I spoke to some customers, and the subject of Garth came up. The lady said she liked him, and he was SEXXY! I felt my middle, and thought "I guess I'm kinda sexxy too". She went on to tell me how much he has done for Country music, and what a good entertainer he was, I had to chime in. I told her that when Smashing perfectly good guitars on stage was entertaining, I was going to go get a job in a Coal Mine. And as far as him promoting COUNTRY MUSIC, no, I don't buy that, when he did that big concert on NEW YORK CITY, he was promoting himself. I doubt any of those in attendance went right out and bought a Mel Tillis, or Buck Owens album, or Hawkshaw Hawkins, or Carl and Pearl Butler, or Bob Wills, or any truley Country acts. I got so disgusted when he and his other genius band member smashed those guitars, that I refuse to watch him on television, or listen to him on the radio. But, that is my own oppinion, and choice, If you like him, so be it. |
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CHIP FOSSA Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A. |
posted 19 November 2005 02:01 PM
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That [dumbish] hat. If he just didn't choose to wear an almost-you-gotz-to wear this. a stereotypical BLACK HAT. And a goofy one, at that. Why not bare your real life? Your bald or unbald head? Dwight? Clint Black. Doesn't sell records, or get those little I was doin' just fine in a Florida bar around Largo [Tampa] and when I felt good about this gorgeous bartenderess, I removed my hat, and in the drop of a 14" pipe wrench on your toe, I was diminished to a NOTHING. That was the feeling. That's why these bigshots walk around with those caps. My great bald hero is Ed Harris. All the same. He laughs at it. And we all should. Sayanaro...... |
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Myron Labelle unregistered |
posted 19 November 2005 02:46 PM
I guess to sum up many who post comments bad about Garth, that the millions of dollars spent by the people who do like him does not matter. They say he has no talent,he can't sing and he's over weight and he isn't sincere. Darn one has to feel sorry for the man for wasting so much time when he could have learned to play an instrument , buy a computer,be out of work and have time to put down some other successful entertainer.Maybe he isn't all that good but just lucky. Wouldn't we all love to be that lucky? ------------------ |
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Charles French Member From: Ms. |
posted 19 November 2005 03:23 PM
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I've said this once and I'll say it again and again and again. If a record company wants to, it can make a star out of a monkey! For crying out loud! The proof is in the puddin'! All ya gotta do is turn on the radio. And I don't care what station, be it country, pop, rock or whatever. People are giving way too much credit to the idiots that buy these records. They are buying into an image. It's not like they have options. They most all suck. So don't equate the amount of cd sales and concert tickets into talent. Pat Boone probably packed more concert halls and sold more albums than Little Richard. Hmmmm, is something wrong with this picture? Damn right Garth is LUCKY. The record companies stood back and said " Ok, try this here hat on and these wrangler jeans, now put this little microphone head set on (that way you'll look cool and hip just like Brittany) Now we want you to practice running back and forth across the stage, while we have smoke bombs exploding and oh oh yea, maybe you could bust a few guitars on the way (heck no one watching this will remember or even knows that Pete Townsend & Hendrix did this before you were born) so you can just copy what they did and everyone will think you are doing something original. Oh yea and one more thing, shake up some beer and spew it on the audience, they love that!!! Ok we're gonna spend a million dollars posting your picture on every fencepost and plastering your face everywhere. We gonna have every record station in the entire world playing your records every other song. By golly son, we is gonna make you a star and we'll all get rich! Lucky $astard, don't get me started! |
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Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
posted 19 November 2005 06:07 PM
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Mr French,Could'nt have said it better myself,Some one made the point he's a millionair,So was Al Copone,but he was still a gangster. |
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Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
posted 19 November 2005 07:53 PM
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Like I said... I'm stunned by the animosity here. I've no desire to argue with anyone. I didn't vent or become confrontational. You folks have aptly proven my point. God Bless... and good night. ------------------
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Craig A Davidson Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA |
posted 19 November 2005 08:22 PM
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I wasn't going to get in on this but.... I am not a big fan of Garth not because of the music but because when he first came on the scene he was pushed down our throats. I din't like it then and still don't like it when an artist is pushed. He has done some good songs. He also has done some crap tunes. But then there are Haggard and Twitty tunes I never liked. And I agree with Herb in that I would rather do Garth tunes than Gary Morris or Lee Greenwood tunes. OK, so he doesn't sing thru his nose and wear Nudie suits. He still isn't that bad. But then I like music with or without steel on them. I have been known to have Garth, Buck, and Zepplin all in my changer at the same time. ------------------ |
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Brett Anderson Member From: Arizona, USA |
posted 19 November 2005 08:31 PM
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Didn't Buck Owens also only take songwriting credit for songs he had actually contributed to? That's a good one. |
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Jody Sanders Member From: Magnolia,Texas |
posted 19 November 2005 09:03 PM
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About song writing credits. For years songwriters have had to share songwriting credits with singers, producers, and label execs just to get their songs recorded. Look at Allen Jacksons first recordings and you will find the producer and label pres. listed as co-writers. Just because a person's name appears as co-writer on a song, don't mean that he actually co-wrote the song. Jody. |
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Jeff Coffell Member From: Killeen Texas |
posted 19 November 2005 10:07 PM
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STEVO STEVO STEVO BARF BROOKS??????????? I thought you didn't smoke that stuff any more.. Just kiddin my friend. I respect your opinion. I personally can't stand the sight of the man. I think he is fake to the bone. Still Love Ya anyway. Jeff C |
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Craig A Davidson Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA |
posted 20 November 2005 06:25 AM
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Brett, In "Sing Me Back Home", Haggard's autobiography, Hag tells of Buck wanting writing credit for "Swinging Doors" even though he had nothing to do with it. Blue Book Publishing was doing Hag's music at the time. Blue Book was owned by Buck. Oh yeah, and Faron Young always tried to get a piece of every tune he recorded. He got a piece of "Face To The Wall", by talking Bill Anderson into naming him as co-writer so he would record it. Faron changed one word in the song. It is not uncommon. I once heard that 'ol Webb Pierce was good at it too, and that Hank Williams bought some of the tunes with his name on them. Talking on here about who did what to who could be a whole 'nother thread. edited for the lack of spell check [This message was edited by Craig A Davidson on 20 November 2005 at 06:27 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 20 November 2005 06:55 AM
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Here's the skinny about recording artists requiring a piece of the songwriting action: There's two types of royalties, performance royalties, based on airplay and such, and mechanical royalties, based on record sales. The monies are collected by two or more different licensing agencies. Because the record company charges back to the artist all recording and promotion expenses, which are CONSIDERABLE, frequently an artist with a big hit songs will never... ever... see any mechanical royalties at all from the record company because all such monies will be eaten up by the company recouping its expenses already spent. Meanwhile, while the hit song is getting played in the media, the songwriter is cashing in with performance royalties. If the artist doesn't have part of the songwriting credits or the publishing of the song, he shares no part of the performance royalties. So an artist with some clout will say, "if you want me to record your tune, you'll need to let me have a piece of the action." So everyone gets "his beak wet," so to speak. I've known great songwriters, new in the bidness, that are and remain quite poor because they didn't want to share publishing or writing credits with an established artist or record company who wanted to record their song. Fifty percent of a fortune is much more than 100% of nuthin'. If you want to get pushed through the money machine, you've got to grease the wheels that do the pushing; that's just the way it is. "Artistic integrity" is very, very expensive in this line of work. ------------------ [This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 20 November 2005 at 08:23 AM.] |
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Myron Labelle unregistered |
posted 20 November 2005 07:37 AM
Quote:If the record companys wanted to they could make a star out of a monkey".WOW, Name one?I know Cheata was a star in Tarzan movies but he never had any hit records. To achieve what Garth Brooks did took a tremendous amount of hard work,self trust and yes talent.Record companys do push and promote those that can produce.I may not be a big fan of all of Garth Brooks music or even todays Country music,but I do like some of it. I do admire how GB came out of Tornado alley and became a cat.5 entertainer.I don't feel he shut down Country music and made it impossible for steelers or any type of musician to get work as he is blamed for by several. Sitting around and complaining about changing times and what use to be is the biggest deterent to ones progress.Garth is just one man,one entertainer.If he is not ones choice then by all means support the one that pleases you. If Hag,Jones or any of the legends could carry the numbers needed. "Bingo", they would be right out in the front lines.There is seriously now not the numbers or fan base anymore for that to happen. Even Hag knows he has to be where the action is to continue being a draw.There is some truth in the phase "if you can't lick them,join them" The word History was invented to preserve things of the past. The past can be improved by the future and the future can become the past but the past can never be the future by remaining the same.Garth Brooks future music will depend on his ability and mostly public appeal and as all before him ,the numbers.Our opinions are just that ,our opinions. Thats mine. ------------------ |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 20 November 2005 08:31 AM
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Myron! Excellent post. I found myself nodding in complete agreement with every sentence. ------------------ |
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Tim Harr Member From: East Peoria, Illinois |
posted 20 November 2005 10:17 AM
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Garth is a product. He was/is marketed and packaged to sell a product - his recordings/videos and concert tickets. It is a business. I really have no opinion on this product one way or another. But, I do feel that the PERSON named Garth Brooks - regardless of his character, is still a PERSON. Most of you should go back and read what you are posting about this man. Many cross the line between his product and HIM. I am amazed that the primary demographic of this forum has such informed unique opinion. The handful here that are repulsed by his very existance must be correct and the BILLIONS of those who purchased this product over and over worldwide must be wrong. It is a business - - why take it so personal? Attack the music NOT the man. It is the fault of those who market the product mostly. They market his product as COUNTRY ... even if it isn't. |
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Joe Casey Member From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9) |
posted 20 November 2005 04:18 PM
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Myron,Wow!!!!!You nailed it old friend. |
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John Macy Member From: Denver, CO USA |
posted 20 November 2005 04:23 PM
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"The past can be improved by the future and the future can become the past but the past can never be the future by remaining the same." Well said, Myron |
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Howard Tate Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA |
posted 20 November 2005 05:19 PM
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I often wish that I knew nothing at all about the entertainers that I hear or see on the screen. If I could just enjoy the performance without thinking about the person doing it, it would be better for me. ------------------ |
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Paul Honeycutt Member From: Colorado, USA |
posted 20 November 2005 07:12 PM
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Didn't Garth retire and marry that scary looking Trisha Yearwood? Is he coming out of retirement or something? I've never been a fan. His music has always left me cold. It just sounds manufactured to me. It's like he's trying too hard or something. That's my $.02. YMMV. Void where prohibited by law. |
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Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
posted 21 November 2005 04:03 AM
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Not a fan, but not a basher either,, at BEST he is a fair vocalist that found and pushed the proper "buttons".. Wrote some pretty good tunes too.. Did his musical talent warrant his success??.. not in my book, but hey, I'm sitting at a computer at 6 am. without a nickel in my pocket... I am NO authority on success.. He is /was no worse than McGraw THATS for sure!!... Don't want to get started on that guy...bob |
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Larry King Member From: Watts, Oklahoma, USA |
posted 21 November 2005 04:30 AM
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Re: Jody Sanders' and Herb Steiner's posts..they 'splained it pretty good. Especially Herb's line...half a loaf of bread is better than no loaf at all (or something like it). I have an acquaintance named Dottie Rambo who had to give up part of her writer credits to Gov Jimmie Davis on 'Sheltered In The Arms Of God". Also, Rusty Godman did it on "I wouldn't take Nothin' For My Journey Now"...they it was done to establish their name as a writer. I have an idea...I own a great straw western with Garth's autograph in it...he signed it for me at Cowboys in east Dallas. I'll put it up for bid and all y'all who like him can buy it....OR.... all y'all who do not like him can buy it and destroy it..as usual , the Forum will get a generous donation. What am I bid? |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 21 November 2005 09:17 AM
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Well, I've read all these posts and some are disgusting and some I agree with! I'm almost 66 years old so I'm old enough to have played music in the 50's and still active today. I love the old stuff but that's what it is, Old!! Garth's not country? That's a bunch of bull$... for sure! He's always featured a lot of steel guitar and fiddle on his recordings and will continue to do so. Some folks think that there's been no country music for years but that's not true! Country music like any other styles has to evolve and does! Listen to the 30's music of the Carter Family, the Delmore Bros, Jimmy Rodgers, Roy Acuff, and the rest. Is that what we want to listen to all the time? I love everything from Vernon Dalhart to, yes, GARTH BROOKS! As far as the guitar smashing thing goes, it's a show and people pay to see those things! One of my favorite rock acts has always been the WHO and they've smashed a bunch of 'em. Look at Jimmy Hendrix! He layed his guitar down, poured lighter fluid on it and lit the d@mn thing on fire but that didn't take anything away from his talent! I sure would have liked for hime to give me that Strat before he did it though! Anyway, I'm glad Garth is out there again and I'm headin' to Walmart to get the $25 box set. That's one helluva bargain....JH in Va. ------------------ |
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Ron Page Member From: Cincinnati, OH USA |
posted 21 November 2005 09:28 AM
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I liked Garth's first 2 albums and precious little beyond that, having heard a good bit of the later stuff before I gave up on FM radio. Personally, Garth's ponsona never appealed to me. He cam across to me as if he felt like the only family man with a career to manage. I still play the first Hag album I ever heard (over 35 years ago), now converted to CD format. I wonder how many of Garth's fans will be diggin' his current collection that long from now. As Dale Watson put it in song, "Country, My Ass". ------------------ |
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Leigh Howell Member From: Holly Ridge, NC, USA |
posted 21 November 2005 03:29 PM
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This about sums it up for me. "DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS"  Leigh |
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Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
posted 21 November 2005 08:14 PM
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I'm also 66 years old,and I still think anyone ,Townson,Hendricks,or Mr Yearwood that will destroy a guitar and thinks that is putting on a good show,is not a jerk,but nuts as well.And yes Dale Watson[the greastest country singer today]is 110% right. |
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Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
posted 21 November 2005 08:52 PM
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P.S.I guess you could say that Buddy Emmons,Jimmy Day,Don Helms,John Hughley,Hal Rugg,Speedy West,Buddy Charlton,Herb Remington,never played a good show ,because they did'nt destroy their steels on stage,My God I bet Roy Rosseta never kicked not one keyboard off the bandstand.How did these guys make itjust relying on pure talent,instead of cheap,ridiculous,obscene,theatrics.The truth is they did'nt need any distractions to cover their lack of talent. |
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Rick Garrett Member From: Tyler, Texas |
posted 22 November 2005 04:50 AM
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Wow ol Garth's done pretty well for a no singing, no song writing, guitar smashing nobody. If having little or no tallent did all that for him I must be a millionaire! Rick |
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Theresa Galbraith Member From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA |
posted 22 November 2005 05:33 AM
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Myron for President!  |
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Pete Blakeslee Member From: Nebraska, USA |
posted 22 November 2005 06:43 AM
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This is hilarious! Guy starts a controversial post, and is appalled by the "animosity" of the responses. Then "rises above" it all by this "God Bless" stuff. Then defenses of Garth based on an opinion that they would rather play Garth than another "artist" who, by implication, must be really, really bad. Where are the Lee Greenwood defenders? Great stuff! |
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Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA |
posted 22 November 2005 06:57 AM
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"The past can be improved by the future and the future can become the past but the past can never be the future by remaining the same." Myron, would you mind explaining this bit of doubletalk to me before my head explodes? |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 22 November 2005 07:41 AM
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Sour grapes |
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Howard Tate Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA |
posted 22 November 2005 07:45 AM
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As to defending Lee Greenwood, a little off topic, but he use to stop on his way to L.A. and sit in with us in Fresno when he was trying to get some kind of record deal. I thought his singing was good, but his voice was so raspy we thought it could not hold up and he had no future as a singer. I have never met a nicer, more humble person and I wish him all the success. ------------------ |
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Myron Labelle unregistered |
posted 22 November 2005 07:48 AM
Sorry Barry,take two asperins and call me in the morning. ------------------ |
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Theresa Galbraith Member From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA |
posted 22 November 2005 09:56 AM
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I like Lee too! |
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Craig A Davidson Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA |
posted 22 November 2005 02:11 PM
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We won't hold that against you Theresa.  |
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