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Author | Topic: Garth Brooks... An Amazing Talent |
Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
![]() I read through all of the negative posts here about Garth and was curious if I had stumbled into the "Twilight Zone". Obviously, it's more aptly described as the "Geezer Zone". Now, before you get your skirts ruffled, let me point out that I too am a certified geezer. The difference though, is that unlike some, I relish music from all genres. I am just as happy playing "Crazy Train" (Ozzie) as I am playing "Panhandle Rag". I really love honky tonk... but I really think bands like "Cross Canadian Ragweed" are cool too. Gospel music just speaks to me! You can not grow musically if you are closed to differences. I digress... I am simply stunned at the level of animosity displayed here against Garth. This man is arguably one of the greatest artists in history in ANY musical genre. He is the best selling country artist of all time and in the top 4 of any genre. I believe he is number three, just behind the Beatles and the Eagles. His accomplishments are simply amazing. btw... I think "The Dance" is one of the greatest songs ever by anyone. For actual facts about Garth, check out the Rough Stock Garth Museum. http://www.roughstock.com/garth/chrono.html ------------------
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Mike Neer Member From: NJ |
![]() To each his own. |
John Ummel Member From: Arlington, WA. |
![]() quote: AMEN [This message was edited by John Ummel on 18 November 2005 at 06:23 AM.] |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
![]() * [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 18 November 2005 at 04:58 AM.] |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
![]() I too can't fathom why people don't like Garth to the extent that he's slammed professionally, unless as you say, their own preferences go so deep that it's not enough to say "it's just not my cup of tea." It has to rise to another, deeper level of dislike, almost personal in nature. I've argued this point many times with Justin Trevino, who feels that all good music ended in 1972. I say batting .500 on great songs is a pretty good average. I would play Garth Brooks songs all night long, 24/7, if I never had to play a Lee Greenwood or Gary Morris song. The long and short of it, I agree with Steve. ------------------ |
Terry Edwards Member From: Layton, UT |
![]() Garth Brooks is an artist. He created songs, an image, and a style of performing within the "country" genre and admittedly pushed the envelope. The business of country music successfully marketted his art and the fans loved it. GB is the ultimate success story whether you personally like him or not. I like his songs and performances because I like energy. I did not care for the "cracked vocal" style of his singing on some songs but the songs are very well crafted. All the animosity may be attributed to generational differences. What one generation perceives jumping around on stage as an ego trip is another generation just having a good time. These same people don't get RR either - OK now I went and done it...yikes !! |
John Ummel Member From: Arlington, WA. |
![]() [This message was edited by John Ummel on 18 November 2005 at 06:18 AM.] |
Mark Metdker Member From: North Central Texas, USA |
![]() Garth is a lot of things to a lot of different people. Some people think he is a musical genius..while others claim he is the country music anti-christ. In this case, each extreme is incorrect. What Garth is in my opinion is a pretty good song writer.....mediocre singer....and a brilliant business man. Garths's genius lies in his ability to figure out what the masses want, and deliver it like no one else before him. His high energy show hooked his mostly young audiences like heroin does to a drug addict. The music was secondary to the "experience" of Garth's show. Garth is an entertainer first, musician second. There are more ways to entertain than throwing down great music. The band Kiss taught us that. IF it was only about music, then guys like Rodney Crowell and Radney FOster would be selling out arenas. But alas this isn't so. Garth's show is tailored for the masses, not musicians. And the sooner we musicians figure this out, the quicker you will be to the big bucks. I guess it all depends on what you are in it for. The music, or the money. Ask Garth his opnion. I think he now owns most of the state of Oklahoma...and Toby Keith is busy buying up the what Garth doesn't own. ------------------ Strats thru a VHT Super 30 Band Pics |
Leigh Howell Member From: Holly Ridge, NC, USA |
![]() To each his own is what I say, but, I agree with an interview that Waylon Jennings had, when he commented that Garth Brooks was the most insincere person he had ever met.So talent aside, I do have a personal dislike for the man. Leigh |
Drew Howard Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A. |
![]() "Geezer Zone". ------------------ |
John Macy Member From: Denver, CO USA |
![]() Here's a few things about Garth maybe people don't realize--
In a time that everyone was complaining about slick records, he cut everything in a studio that would be called a demo room by current Nashville standards--24 track analogue--no automation, usually no click track, no ProTools editing, no vocal tuning, everyone playing together at one time (through basically one cue mix as Bruce Bouton pointed out). Basically the most "real" and "pure" records to come out of that town in the last couple of decades. He owned his own masters--no "suits" telling him how to make them--what you hear is what he wanted. I see lots of comments around here about the bean counters calling the music shots, but not there. Is he a shrewd marketing genious? Did he use his selling power to get what he wanted (including cleaning out the upper management at his label) etc? Hell, yes, but hey, this is show business--not "show fun". Count me in as an unashamed fan (PS--what about MMM tunes, Herb? quote: "To each his own is what I say, but, I agree with an interview that Waylon Jennings had, when he commented that Garth Brooks was the most insincere person he had ever met.So talent aside, I do have a personal dislike for the man." I stopped by Jack's Tracks one time to visit Jim Rooney and Garth was there mixing one of his records, and I ended up in the front room with Garth and his producer and others, hanging out and telling stories,and insincere would be the the last adjective to ever cross my mind from that meeting. I doubt any of the people that I know that know him would ever use that, either. But hey, if Waylon said so, must be true [This message was edited by John Macy on 17 November 2005 at 12:19 PM.] |
Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA |
![]() Hey, I 'get' RR. What I may never get is why it's so important to you Garth lovers that the rest of us love him. Is there something in it for you? |
John Macy Member From: Denver, CO USA |
![]() It's like Herb said in his first paragraph... Hey, I'm not asking anyone to even like him, just adding a little perspective to the negative press that he gets around here (and there's a lot more of that than Garth lovers). And it can go both ways''"What I may never get is why it's so important to you Garth haters that the rest of us hate him, too." |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
![]() I'm guilty of Garth bashing at times also. I have to admit that he did put out some great stuff. He's also genuinely a great guy from the people I know who know him. Bruce Bouton did some great steel work on his songs also. Garth sounds like Merle Haggard next Rascal Fats. Now we have to listen to supposed country music with escaped Boy Band singers. |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
![]() Did anyone else see that series (maybe on MTV, I'm not sure) about six years ago that featured singer/songwriters playing 'in the round'? One week, James Taylor was the featured artist, then it was Garth the next week. Brooks told a self-effacing story of when he had to duet with Taylor on 'Sweet Baby James' on a TV show, and, when it came to his turn, he (Garth) would simply dry up because of the intense reverence he felt for Taylor. He said that he was almost in tears with the embarrassment of 'failing' in front of his idol, when JT put down his guitar and just gave him a hug; after that, Brooks found his feet and the taping proceeded. He went on to say - 'After that, I nailed it! - Well, maybe I didn't 'nail it', but I did better...' I'm not a fan of his (I'm sort-of irritated by that affected break (or half-yodel) every other word), but I have a healthy respect for any big 'name' who could make such an admission, especially when we'd have never known about it had he not related the anecdote. RR |
Terry Edwards Member From: Layton, UT |
![]() I saw some video of Garth receiving one of his first awards on stage at a concert ealry in his career. They arranged for George Jones to present the award with Garth totally unaware. Garth was just standing there and when he saw George enter from the side of the stage he quickly snatched his hat off his head in respect and spontaneously exploded in tears. He was a complete mess! Garth worships country music and those that pioneered it. Like many of us, he grew up in a generation with rock music and the influence is obvious. Terry |
Dale Bessant Member From: Gatineau, Quebec, Canada |
![]() Sheep....a lot a sheep in the world....Garth cant sing his way out of a wet paper bag....but he was good a smashing guitars on stage...if he was the only country artist I would start listening to RAP! |
Charles French Member From: Ms. |
![]() What a guy! I'm just so glad I got to witness in my lifetime The Second Coming Of Garth |
John Ummel Member From: Arlington, WA. |
![]() [This message was edited by John Ummel on 18 November 2005 at 06:20 AM.] |
Rick Garrett Member From: Tyler, Texas |
![]() I couldn't agree more. Garth is one of the worlds best. Period, end of argument. ![]() He puts his whole heart and soul into it. How can you NOT admire someone who has the tallent to be able to do that? We cherish different big wig steelers and admire them because they're able to do that but we as musicians can't see that same trait to admire in Garth Brooks? Comon.....please Rick |
Bill Simmons Member From: Keller, Texas, USA |
![]() I agree with Steve, Herb, John etc...I appreciate Garth for his promotion and respect for the pioneers of country. He has exposed 'country music' to untold millions who considered country too corny or really never listened to it. It was interesting when I asked 7 different friends who are NOT into country music (rock/jazz/pop people), to describe Garth Brooks's music, they all said "he's country"! There are just a few songs (the ones already mentioned here) that I think are very good, but I still appreciate and respect him as a 'country' entertainer who has sold over 100 million records! His organization and marketing group are amazing. Just a thought... [This message was edited by Bill Simmons on 17 November 2005 at 03:28 PM.] [This message was edited by Bill Simmons on 17 November 2005 at 03:29 PM.] |
Charles French Member From: Ms. |
![]() Before garth ever signed. He was going to nashville and cutting some demos at Kent Blazeys house. By the way "If Tomorrow Never Comes" was a song written by Kent Blazey and his wife Susanne. Yes it's a great song but anyone could have recorded it. You know there are other people that can sing a whole lot better. So, this is not his song. He just recorded it. Altho lucky for Kent since it was song of the year and Kent received the writer of the year award. |
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A. |
![]() quote: Funny, I don't remember him doing any Ernest Tubb or Kitty Wells' songs? |
Gary Carriger Member From: Corpus Christi, Texas, USA |
![]() Steve, I am with you. Although Garth as a singer doesn't make it to the top of my list of favorite vocalists, but then neither was ET as someone just referenced as some sort of credential. Garth is one hell of an entertainer. I have played his songs in the past, and will continue doing so as some are now considered bandstand standards (key word here is bandstand). I look forward to playing some new ones from his catalogue. I continue to be disappointed in the comment trends in quite a few threads on the forum concerning players / singers who are not rehashing yesterday's 4-4 shuffles. Before I get trashed here, let me say that my C&W credentials are over 40 yrs in the making by being on the So Tx bandstand circuit...and I love 4-4 shuffles and western swing with the most ardent of fans. But I don't want to play them all night long, every night, from now on. IMO, this continual bashing of fellow musicians degrades us all. Gary |
Howard Tate Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA |
![]() I should stay out of it I guess, but he has had some hits that I liked, (my favorite was "Calling Baton Rouge"). I remember him being so loyal to his family that if his wife and kids could not go along he said he would have to cancel the tour. Of course that was before he met Trisha Yearwood. And his loyalty to his sister when he outed her. What a guy. ------------------ |
Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA |
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David Cobb Member From: Chanute, Kansas, USA |
![]() That story about Garth wanting a system where he could collect royalties when his new product was sold, and again each time the used CD was sold to another person. Was there truth to that? Whether true or not, the story went around and made him look like a callous, greedy b******. The other story about him beating his wife turned more than a few fans against him. |
Charles Davidson Member From: Alabama, USA |
![]() His biggest talent is smashing perfectly good guitars,I think that makes him a perfect jerk,I don't care if he is a zillionair.He or any so called artist,country or rock and roll that does this is despicable.There are 1000's of poor 10 or 12 years kids out there that can't even afford a walmart guitar,that really want to learn to play,have to watch these complete jerks reduce a 1500 or 2000 dollar to splinters.No matter how much spin Mr.[Yearwood's]fans put out,he is still a jerk!!! |
Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
![]() quote: Charles, this is incorrect. Garth and Kent cowrote the song. Below is a link to ASCAP. http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300 ------------------
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Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
![]() Here is a list of songwriting credits for Garth according to ASCAP. 1 . AIN T GOIN DOWN TILL THE SUN COMES UP I think my work here is done ------------------
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Terry Edwards Member From: Layton, UT |
![]() Smashing guitars...!!! poor kids watching...!!! (edited to remove mad face - I was being facetious) I'm gonna burn my only Garth CD.....I'm out outta here! Terry [This message was edited by Terry Edwards on 18 November 2005 at 07:47 AM.] |
Charles French Member From: Ms. |
![]() chop chop Edited, sorry for the last comments. To quote Jerry Lee "It was the Whisky Talkin, Not Me" I'm oughta this [This message was edited by Charles French on 18 November 2005 at 02:53 AM.] [This message was edited by Charles French on 18 November 2005 at 04:47 AM.] |
Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
![]() Charles, I am having fun here and certainly did nothing to warrant a personal attack from you. I happen to like Garth... I don't worship him or anything, and I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over whether or not he did or did not write a particular song. I got the data from ASCAP. I've heard they are a fairly reputable organization ![]() I hope you have a blessed night Charles.... don't worry! Be happy! ------------------
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Bill Simmons Member From: Keller, Texas, USA |
![]() Hey Steve...half my friends like Garth...half my friends don't like Garth and I stand with my friends!! HA Let me know when you get your new Rains... |
Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA |
![]() I've never heard of him. Who is he? ![]() |
John Macy Member From: Denver, CO USA |
![]() quote: "I know for a fact that Garth had no part in writing that song." Could you enlighten us a little on that?? Every reference on all records and also ASCAP (who collects the royalties for both Kent and Garth) say it's a co-write. Heck, I am holding the CD right now called "In the Beginning--A Songwriter's Tribute to Garth Brooks" and Kent plays and sings the song on this CD and it is credited to Kent Blazey and Garth Brooks. Do tell, please |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
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rpetersen Member From: Tipton, Iowa |
![]() I think Garth is to be complimented on his talent and showmanship - people that go to his shows love it! - For those that don't like him, I suppose you like Rascal Flatts - they are about as country as................I'll have to get back with you as soon as I think of a word!! |
Mike Brown Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA |
![]() I've stayed away from this type of topic as it is just a matter of opinion. I've sat down and had a discussion with Garth here in Meridian and and he is a very nice guy. On the other hand, I've met many an entertainer here at the Jimmie Rodgers Festival and a few of the same well known entertainers that are admired were the biggest jerks. I happen to agree with Steve, Herb and Terry's post. |
Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA |
![]() I don't especially like Garth, and I don't like Rascal Flatts either - I think the word you are looking for to describe them might be TONEDEAF .... |
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