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Author Topic:   EMMONS or DAY?
Dale Thomas
Member

From: West Branch, IA

posted 20 January 2002 09:23 PM     profile     
When the split pedalswere evident, I put the split on my old electraharp the way I assumed it was done, mainly for comfort.
Years later, I heard it was the Day split.
When I used to teach pedal guitar I would give the student the option. I'd say "put your foot on the floor, is it easier to lift your little toe or your big toe?" Try it. I've had Sho-bud, Emmons, and now Franklin. all with the Day setup. Dale Thomas

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Nick Reed
Member

From: Springfield, TN

posted 20 January 2002 09:33 PM     profile     
Emmons
Lem Smith
Member

From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.

posted 20 January 2002 09:48 PM     profile     
Emmons. The first guitar I had was setup Day style, but it never felt "natural" to me, until I switched to Emmons.

Lem

Jerry Roller
Member

From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA

posted 20 January 2002 09:58 PM     profile     
Gene, I have purchased several used guitars and worked on many and I have never seen one with the C6th backwards like mine so I assumed I was the only ht6C player in the world.
Jerry
MARK GILES
Member

From: HAMILTON, TEXAS

posted 20 January 2002 10:10 PM     profile     
Day
Winnie Winston
Member

From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ

posted 21 January 2002 01:36 AM     profile     
Emmons with a number of additions after pedal 3...

Winnie

Ernie Renn
Member

From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA

posted 21 January 2002 03:08 AM     profile     
Emmons

I should add that I didn't know there was such a thing until I played a friend of mines guitar. He uses the Day split. Without knowing it was an experience to remember... or forget...
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My best,
Ernie

The Official Buddy Emmons Website
www.buddyemmons.com

[This message was edited by Ernie Renn on 21 January 2002 at 03:10 AM.]

DALE WHITENER
Member

From: TRINITY,NC USA

posted 21 January 2002 03:42 AM     profile     
DAY..it feels more natural to me.
Gene Jones
Member

From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 21 January 2002 04:41 AM     profile     
Jerry....I finally found the original tuning charts from Music City Mfg and by golly you are 100% correct......your C6 set-up is reversed from the Sho-Bud factory set-up. It is my E9 neck that I have reversed from the original!

I should know better than to trust to memory...I'm even wrong most of the time when I try to remember what I had for lunch yesterday! www.genejones.com

[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 21 January 2002 at 05:13 AM.]

Tony Orth
Member

From: Evansville, Indiana, USA

posted 21 January 2002 06:05 AM     profile     
Emmons
Tony Rankin
Member

From: Miamisburg, OH USA

posted 21 January 2002 06:31 AM     profile     
Emmons
Ken Williams
Member

From: Arkansas

posted 21 January 2002 07:17 AM     profile     
Day.
Earl Yarbro
Member

From: Bowie, Texas, USA

posted 21 January 2002 09:00 AM     profile     
My old ZB Came with the Day set up, so thats what I have used.
KENNY FORBESS
Member

From: peckerwood point, w. tn.

posted 21 January 2002 09:25 AM     profile     
Day, because my first guitar was setup like that.
I find it easier to get on and off the b&c pedal because my foot is already at that angle. (1st pedal)
I play either ,but not too fast in the heat of the battle on the Emmons setup.

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kenny
66 Emmons 8&7
D-10 Derby 9&8

Reggie Duncan
Member

From: Mississippi

posted 21 January 2002 09:53 AM     profile     
I play the Day setup. By my calculations the count it is:
Emmons 26
Day 20
David Mullis
Member

From: Rock Hill, SC

posted 21 January 2002 10:01 AM     profile     
Emmons
Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 21 January 2002 10:06 AM     profile     
Whatever the final count is, it's only a count of the ones that replied here. And, there are more steelers that are not on-line than what is on here.
RickRichtmyer
Member

From: Beautiful Adamstown, MD

posted 21 January 2002 10:45 AM     profile     
Nonetheless, it looks like Emmons is ahead. I'll add one more for the Emmons side.

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Rick Richtmyer
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Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 21 January 2002 10:54 AM     profile     
Put me on the Emmons side too. Didn't we go through this a year or so ago? Seems like it came out to 8 or 9 to 1 in favor of the Emmons setup.
Steve Stallings
Member

From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers

posted 21 January 2002 11:10 AM     profile     
Emmons

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Steve Stallings
Bremond, Texas


Reggie Duncan
Member

From: Mississippi

posted 21 January 2002 11:14 AM     profile     
All opinions on this forum represent only the ones registered. I think I realize that. Bob, you can close this thread if you want.
Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 21 January 2002 11:18 AM     profile     
quote:
HT6C

Man, I'm even increasing my vocabulary !! What a place to learn new things and ideas.
Now all I have to do is figure out what to do with it.

Regards,Paul

johnnyb
Member

From: Wendell, NC, USA

posted 21 January 2002 11:22 AM     profile     
?

[This message was edited by johnnyb on 04 June 2005 at 07:18 AM.]

Dave Birkett
Member

From: Oxnard, CA, USA

posted 21 January 2002 11:37 AM     profile     
Emmons. I've never played a Day setup. Bud Carter, on his Ask Bud page, says that the Day setup would cause more cabinet drop. Comments?
Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 21 January 2002 11:43 AM     profile     
Bud's theory is that since the A pedal is more toward the center of the guitar with the Day setup, it would put more force on the body.

Lately, we've been hearing other ideas such as changer shaft flex contributing to the drop, so cabinet drop isn't the only culprit.

BTW, a good way to test cabinet drop without involving the changer shaft is to step on C6 pedals 5&6 on a double neck and see how much the E9 strings drop.

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Jim Smith jimsmith94@charter.net
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Reggie Duncan
Member

From: Mississippi

posted 21 January 2002 01:13 PM     profile     
Emmons 31
Day 21
Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 21 January 2002 01:31 PM     profile     
Jim, the Day setup causing more "cabinet drop" was told to me by a Nashville builder, too.
Jon Light
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 21 January 2002 01:59 PM     profile     
Emmons. HowdyDoody on the Universal B6 pedals. Actually, Roller, except that P6 is on a lever.

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Cairo Zoots
Member

From: Moville, Iowa ,next to the west fork of the Little Sioux River

posted 21 January 2002 02:43 PM     profile     
Day

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Gene Jones
Member

From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 21 January 2002 03:16 PM     profile     
..... really...is there just one set-up that can be attributed to each of them?

[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 21 January 2002 at 04:25 PM.]

Reggie Duncan
Member

From: Mississippi

posted 21 January 2002 04:54 PM     profile     
I was referring to the ABC floor pedal setup being Buddy Emmons, and CBA floor pedal setup being Jimmy Day. Simple?
Gene Jones
Member

From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 21 January 2002 06:04 PM     profile     
Simple enough Reggie....the thread has grown and taken so many turns that I'd forgotten your original post.....

EMMONS

Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 21 January 2002 06:31 PM     profile     
I just went back and read through the whole thread. What caught my attention was that the statement of comfort or ease of use was mentioned by a lot of readers relating to which set up they preferred.

Could it be that there is something like left handed vs right handedness in the use of the pedal foot ?? Some say it is easier to rock one way while others prefer the opposite rotation. It also seems that the baseball term, switch hitter, also applies here since some have stated they can do it either way with ease while others are absolutely blown away in that attempt.

I'm certainly no physiologist or anything like that but I do sense something else at work (play ??) here !! I hope this is also; still On Topic........I also think we have players of Master Level Talent who use both of these set ups so it's not a one way street by any stretch of the imagination.

Regards, Paul

Phil Coontz
Member

From: Branson, MO, USA

posted 21 January 2002 09:50 PM     profile     
I've played both but I prefur Emmons I guess.
Phil Coontz
Member

From: Branson, MO, USA

posted 21 January 2002 09:53 PM     profile     
Played both I like Emmons the best.
Dave Horch
Member

From: Frederick, Maryland, USA

posted 21 January 2002 10:59 PM     profile     
"Standard" Emmons all the way on my Mullen and my BMI. BUT! I always thought the Day split would be easier on the ankle!

Since I've learned Emmons setup, I guess I'll stick, but those "outside" rocks are tough for newer players. You gotta raise the A pedal height because your foot just doesn't want to go that way!

Serious question: How do DAY players get the same move we Emmons players get when we press the A pedal and the F knee (raising the E's)? Since I've got the E raise on LKL it's real simple to stomp on the A pedal and slam the LKL knee - move up 3 frets and have the upper inversion (then "shiver gliss" back down - oh yes!)

Best, -Dave


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DALE WHITENER
Member

From: TRINITY,NC USA

posted 22 January 2002 03:55 AM     profile     
Dave.. Here is my answer to your question.
I raise my E's LKR which puts me using the same move your using ..just moving right instead of left.
Dale
Brian Herder
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pa. USA

posted 22 January 2002 04:41 AM     profile     
Emmons
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 22 January 2002 06:02 AM     profile     
Dave.....

I think you'll find that, with the 'Day' set-up, the 4th and 8th 'raise' and 'lower' levers are generally assumed to be reversed - provided, of course, that those changes are on the player's left knee. It's certainly what I do.

Paul.....

I, too, am interested in the physiological reasons why this is an issue at all. I can easily lift my big toe off the ground without moving my leg but, however hard I try, I simply cannot lift my little toe without my knee moving to the right! Obviously, this isn't true for the majority of you guys!

I might have come to the 'Day' set-up because my first steel was that way, but I dread to think how I'd have coped if it hadn't been.

I see Mr Seymour, apparently, plays either way - this says a lot for his athletic prowess.....

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Roger Rettig
Emmons LGIII(S10/D10)& MCI D10

Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 22 January 2002 06:05 AM     profile     
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[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 22 January 2002 at 06:11 AM.]


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