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Dale Thomas Member From: West Branch, IA |
posted 20 January 2002 09:23 PM
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When the split pedalswere evident, I put the split on my old electraharp the way I assumed it was done, mainly for comfort. Years later, I heard it was the Day split. When I used to teach pedal guitar I would give the student the option. I'd say "put your foot on the floor, is it easier to lift your little toe or your big toe?" Try it. I've had Sho-bud, Emmons, and now Franklin. all with the Day setup. Dale Thomas ------------------ |
Nick Reed Member From: Springfield, TN |
posted 20 January 2002 09:33 PM
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Emmons |
Lem Smith Member From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A. |
posted 20 January 2002 09:48 PM
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Emmons. The first guitar I had was setup Day style, but it never felt "natural" to me, until I switched to Emmons. Lem |
Jerry Roller Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA |
posted 20 January 2002 09:58 PM
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Gene, I have purchased several used guitars and worked on many and I have never seen one with the C6th backwards like mine so I assumed I was the only ht6C player in the world. Jerry |
MARK GILES Member From: HAMILTON, TEXAS |
posted 20 January 2002 10:10 PM
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Day |
Winnie Winston Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ |
posted 21 January 2002 01:36 AM
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Emmons with a number of additions after pedal 3... Winnie |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
posted 21 January 2002 03:08 AM
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Emmons I should add that I didn't know there was such a thing until I played a friend of mines guitar. He uses the Day split. Without knowing it was an experience to remember... or forget... [This message was edited by Ernie Renn on 21 January 2002 at 03:10 AM.] |
DALE WHITENER Member From: TRINITY,NC USA |
posted 21 January 2002 03:42 AM
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DAY..it feels more natural to me. |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 21 January 2002 04:41 AM
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Jerry....I finally found the original tuning charts from Music City Mfg and by golly you are 100% correct......your C6 set-up is reversed from the Sho-Bud factory set-up. It is my E9 neck that I have reversed from the original! I should know better than to trust to memory...I'm even wrong most of the time when I try to remember what I had for lunch yesterday! www.genejones.com [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 21 January 2002 at 05:13 AM.] |
Tony Orth Member From: Evansville, Indiana, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 06:05 AM
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Emmons |
Tony Rankin Member From: Miamisburg, OH USA |
posted 21 January 2002 06:31 AM
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Emmons |
Ken Williams Member From: Arkansas |
posted 21 January 2002 07:17 AM
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Day. |
Earl Yarbro Member From: Bowie, Texas, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 09:00 AM
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My old ZB Came with the Day set up, so thats what I have used. |
KENNY FORBESS Member From: peckerwood point, w. tn. |
posted 21 January 2002 09:25 AM
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Day, because my first guitar was setup like that. I find it easier to get on and off the b&c pedal because my foot is already at that angle. (1st pedal) I play either ,but not too fast in the heat of the battle on the Emmons setup. ------------------ |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 21 January 2002 09:53 AM
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I play the Day setup. By my calculations the count it is: Emmons 26 Day 20 |
David Mullis Member From: Rock Hill, SC |
posted 21 January 2002 10:01 AM
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Emmons |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida |
posted 21 January 2002 10:06 AM
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Whatever the final count is, it's only a count of the ones that replied here. And, there are more steelers that are not on-line than what is on here. |
RickRichtmyer Member From: Beautiful Adamstown, MD |
posted 21 January 2002 10:45 AM
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Nonetheless, it looks like Emmons is ahead. I'll add one more for the Emmons side. ------------------ |
Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 10:54 AM
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Put me on the Emmons side too. Didn't we go through this a year or so ago? Seems like it came out to 8 or 9 to 1 in favor of the Emmons setup. |
Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers |
posted 21 January 2002 11:10 AM
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Emmons ------------------ |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 21 January 2002 11:14 AM
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All opinions on this forum represent only the ones registered. I think I realize that. Bob, you can close this thread if you want. |
Paul Graupp Member From: Macon Ga USA |
posted 21 January 2002 11:18 AM
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quote: Man, I'm even increasing my vocabulary !! What a place to learn new things and ideas. Regards,Paul |
johnnyb Member From: Wendell, NC, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 11:22 AM
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? [This message was edited by johnnyb on 04 June 2005 at 07:18 AM.] |
Dave Birkett Member From: Oxnard, CA, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 11:37 AM
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Emmons. I've never played a Day setup. Bud Carter, on his Ask Bud page, says that the Day setup would cause more cabinet drop. Comments? |
Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 11:43 AM
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Bud's theory is that since the A pedal is more toward the center of the guitar with the Day setup, it would put more force on the body. Lately, we've been hearing other ideas such as changer shaft flex contributing to the drop, so cabinet drop isn't the only culprit. BTW, a good way to test cabinet drop without involving the changer shaft is to step on C6 pedals 5&6 on a double neck and see how much the E9 strings drop. ------------------ |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 21 January 2002 01:13 PM
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Emmons 31 Day 21 |
Jack Stoner Sysop From: Inverness, Florida |
posted 21 January 2002 01:31 PM
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Jim, the Day setup causing more "cabinet drop" was told to me by a Nashville builder, too. |
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 21 January 2002 01:59 PM
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Emmons. HowdyDoody on the Universal B6 pedals. Actually, Roller, except that P6 is on a lever. ------------------ FStartUp SteelE FPhoto GalleryE |
Cairo Zoots Member From: Moville, Iowa ,next to the west fork of the Little Sioux River |
posted 21 January 2002 02:43 PM
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Day ------------------ |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 21 January 2002 03:16 PM
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..... really...is there just one set-up that can be attributed to each of them? [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 21 January 2002 at 04:25 PM.] |
Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 21 January 2002 04:54 PM
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I was referring to the ABC floor pedal setup being Buddy Emmons, and CBA floor pedal setup being Jimmy Day. Simple? |
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 21 January 2002 06:04 PM
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Simple enough Reggie....the thread has grown and taken so many turns that I'd forgotten your original post..... EMMONS |
Paul Graupp Member From: Macon Ga USA |
posted 21 January 2002 06:31 PM
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I just went back and read through the whole thread. What caught my attention was that the statement of comfort or ease of use was mentioned by a lot of readers relating to which set up they preferred. Could it be that there is something like left handed vs right handedness in the use of the pedal foot ?? Some say it is easier to rock one way while others prefer the opposite rotation. It also seems that the baseball term, switch hitter, also applies here since some have stated they can do it either way with ease while others are absolutely blown away in that attempt. I'm certainly no physiologist or anything like that but I do sense something else at work (play ??) here !! I hope this is also; still On Topic........I also think we have players of Master Level Talent who use both of these set ups so it's not a one way street by any stretch of the imagination. Regards, Paul |
Phil Coontz Member From: Branson, MO, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 09:50 PM
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I've played both but I prefur Emmons I guess. |
Phil Coontz Member From: Branson, MO, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 09:53 PM
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Played both I like Emmons the best. |
Dave Horch Member From: Frederick, Maryland, USA |
posted 21 January 2002 10:59 PM
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"Standard" Emmons all the way on my Mullen and my BMI. BUT! I always thought the Day split would be easier on the ankle! Since I've learned Emmons setup, I guess I'll stick, but those "outside" rocks are tough for newer players. You gotta raise the A pedal height because your foot just doesn't want to go that way! Serious question: How do DAY players get the same move we Emmons players get when we press the A pedal and the F knee (raising the E's)? Since I've got the E raise on LKL it's real simple to stomp on the A pedal and slam the LKL knee - move up 3 frets and have the upper inversion (then "shiver gliss" back down - oh yes!) Best, -Dave ------------------ |
DALE WHITENER Member From: TRINITY,NC USA |
posted 22 January 2002 03:55 AM
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Dave.. Here is my answer to your question. I raise my E's LKR which puts me using the same move your using ..just moving right instead of left. Dale |
Brian Herder Member From: Philadelphia, Pa. USA |
posted 22 January 2002 04:41 AM
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Emmons |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
posted 22 January 2002 06:02 AM
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Dave..... I think you'll find that, with the 'Day' set-up, the 4th and 8th 'raise' and 'lower' levers are generally assumed to be reversed - provided, of course, that those changes are on the player's left knee. It's certainly what I do. Paul..... I, too, am interested in the physiological reasons why this is an issue at all. I can easily lift my big toe off the ground without moving my leg but, however hard I try, I simply cannot lift my little toe without my knee moving to the right! Obviously, this isn't true for the majority of you guys! I might have come to the 'Day' set-up because my first steel was that way, but I dread to think how I'd have coped if it hadn't been. I see Mr Seymour, apparently, plays either way - this says a lot for his athletic prowess..... ------------------ |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
posted 22 January 2002 06:05 AM
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? [This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 22 January 2002 at 06:11 AM.] |
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