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Rex Thomas Member From: Thompson's Station, TN |
posted 04 December 2002 06:08 AM
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Emmons. |
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Jeff Watson Member From: Henderson, NV. USA |
posted 04 December 2002 10:45 AM
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Have you noticed how often "more natural" is mentioned in connection with the Day setup. |
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David Weaver Member From: Aurora, CO USA |
posted 04 December 2002 11:24 AM
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Day Ronnie Miller is Day Dick Meis is Emmons |
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Henry Matthews Member From: Texarkana, Texas, USA |
posted 04 December 2002 02:34 PM
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I'm not a contorsionist so I use the Day setup. Just makes more sense in conjuction to bar moves along with knee levers and pedals too. Henry Emmons p/p |
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Tony Rankin Member From: Miamisburg, OH USA |
posted 04 December 2002 02:36 PM
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Emmons |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 04 December 2002 06:07 PM
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Emmons setup. I rock one way as much as the other, especially on minor stuff with the BC pedals. So I can't see a clear advantage to either setup and stick with the one I learned from the beginning. [This message was edited by David Doggett on 04 December 2002 at 06:09 PM.] |
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Vance Monday Member From: Bella Vista, AR, USA |
posted 04 December 2002 06:31 PM
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Put me on the day side... |
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John Bechtel Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A. |
posted 04 December 2002 07:04 PM
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Emmons. Although I saw J.D. first, he only had one pedal. When I got my first SHO-BUD(#3) I ordered the Bud Isaacs E9, which had str. #2 & #3 on pedal1. Then when the pedal was split, the 2nd. str. was on pedal #1 and the 3rd. str. was on pedal #2. So, as was stated previously, it just evolved that way and has become a seemingly natural thing. That's why J.D. way would be backward for me, and B.E. would be backward for someone else! They are both wrong, they are both right! 6 of one, 5 of the other! "Big John"http://community.webtv.net/KeoniNui/doc |
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basilh Member From: United Kingdom |
posted 06 December 2002 03:42 AM
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So what's the running total Reggie ? Baz ------------------ quote: |
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Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 06 December 2002 07:09 AM
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I know 3 other players here that play the Day setup, so I will add them to make the total... Emmons 76 (This survey has a margin of error + or - 79.9 points!) |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 06 December 2002 04:02 PM
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Using the Wilson score method for calculating confidence intervals for proportions: Emmons: 76/127 gives 59.8% (95% confidence interval 51.1% to 68.0%) Day: 51/127 gives 40.2% (95% CI 32.0% to 48.9%) The difference between the proportions is 19.7% (95% CI 7.4% to 31.2%). This is a statistically significant difference at an alpha level of 0.05. The odds of using the Emmons setup is 1.49 to 1 (95% CI 1.15:1 to 1.92:1). Where'd you get +/- 79.9 points? |
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Mike Perlowin Member From: Los Angeles CA |
posted 06 December 2002 06:00 PM
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Emmons |
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Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 07 December 2002 11:27 AM
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David, In statistics, a 95% confidence interval means that, if constructed based on 100(1-alpha)% which gives you the right tail cutoff and subsequently the left tail cutoff, that the true mean will be contained in the 95%. The margin of error associated with a certain confidence interval is the right tail cutoff times the population divided by the square root of the sample size. What this means is that for a certain confidence interval, the margin of error tells you how well an estimate is made. The factors affecting the size of the margin of error are the sample size, the population, and the values inbetween the two cutoffs. When the sample size is larger, the margin of error decreases. When the population has more variation, the margin of error increases. When the values between the two cutoffs is larger, the margin of error increases. All three of these determine the size of the margin of error associated with a particular confidence interval. Since there are over 3,000 members on this forum and thousands of other steel players, this sample is probably not represetative of the actual percentage of players in each category. Now, then........... [This message was edited by Reggie Duncan on 07 December 2002 at 11:28 AM.] |
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David Weaver Member From: Aurora, CO USA |
posted 07 December 2002 12:05 PM
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According to my calculation it could be argued that you can be 80% confident that 59.2% of the forum players play Emmons and 40.2% play Day, and that the stated proportion is within 5% of the true proportion. The way I have it, you would need a total of 274 responses in order to be 90% confident of the total. This assumes that Day players are no more or less likely to post in this survey that are Emmons players. E= 0.05 z(inf)/2 = 1.282 (two tail 80% confidence t value) |
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Ron Shepard Member From: Easthampton, MA, USA |
posted 07 December 2002 12:33 PM
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Emmons |
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Buddy Emmons Member From: Hermitage, TN USA |
posted 07 December 2002 02:19 PM
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Whew! Now I can rest easy knowing I didn't choose the wrong way.  |
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Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
posted 07 December 2002 02:29 PM
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DayMons |
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Gary Morrison Member From: Centennial, CO, USA |
posted 07 December 2002 05:17 PM
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With the pedal steel, the right way is any way you learn how to play! |
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Rex Thomas Member From: Thompson's Station, TN |
posted 07 December 2002 07:09 PM
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Buddy...  |
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Matt Brydges Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada |
posted 07 December 2002 10:59 PM
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Emmons. Matt |
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Martin Abend Member From: |
posted 07 December 2002 11:45 PM
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Emmons ------------------ |
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Michael T. Hermsmeyer Member From: Branson, Mo 65616 USA |
posted 08 December 2002 01:46 AM
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Emmons and this was directly related to how my first steel was set up when I bought it. At that time, I didn't know there was a difference. Years later I sat down to someone elses steel and I wondered what the problem was, thought I broke something, LOL. Then he explained the difference to me. I suppose if that first steel was Day setup, I would play Day. Michael T. ------------------ |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 08 December 2002 05:31 AM
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.....Whew! Now I can rest easy knowing I didn't choose the wrong way..... Buddy, with your humor I'm surprised that you didn't place yourself in the "Day" column! |
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Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 08 December 2002 07:39 AM
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Buddy, it is a priviledge for me to post on the same page with you sir. I may switch. |
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Earnie Sumerall Member From: Sand Springs, Ok |
posted 08 December 2002 10:52 AM
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Emmons |
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Tyler Macy Member From: San Diego, CA, USA |
posted 09 December 2002 12:19 AM
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Day- my ankle only works that way. |
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Robert Rogers Member From: the big town of Petersburg,Tn"Blink and You'll miss it" |
posted 09 December 2002 01:06 AM
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whip, you probably already know this but weldon does the same thing with his second string and i think jim crawford does too.as far as my set-up i play the emmons set-up on e9th and c6th. Robert(push-pull)Rogers |
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Reggie Duncan Member From: Mississippi |
posted 09 December 2002 05:01 AM
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Emmons 81 Day 53 Do you think this is indicitive of the actual percentages? Maybe the Carter folks could tell us how many special order the Day setup. I would guess no more than 10%. |
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Jason Stillwell Member From: Soper, OK, USA |
posted 09 December 2002 06:09 AM
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Emmons--I play like Buddy  BTW, I've seen a lot of Emmons guitars set up Day, but no Days set up Emmons...I gotta get more sleep at night. [This message was edited by Jason Stillwell on 09 December 2002 at 06:18 AM.] |
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Buddy Emmons Member From: Hermitage, TN USA |
posted 09 December 2002 07:09 AM
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To add perspective to this poll, when I was with Emmons and Sho~Bud, unless otherwise specified, all guitars went out with my setup, which was configured around the A & B split. It wasn't until the Emmons guitar raised and lowered the same string that I came up with what is now referred to as the Emmons setup. During that seven year period, many players weren't aware of the constant changes we were going through, so they would order a guitar with the stock pedals and levers to be assured they were in on the latest. That would explain why the Emmons setup would have the edge. |
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Bill Fulbright Member From: Atlanta, GA |
posted 09 December 2002 08:19 PM
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Well, since my post resurrected this thread, (and I am glad it did), AND I have received my new (to me) Mullen D-10 8x7, I am going to say I am sticking with the DAY set up. It just feels more intuitive to me. ------------------ |
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Richard Sinkler Member From: Fremont, California |
posted 10 December 2002 12:23 PM
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By the way, who is this Emmons guy? ------------------ |
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Billy Easton Member From: Casa Grande, Arizona, USA |
posted 10 December 2002 01:24 PM
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Day....always have, probably always will. ------------------ |
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