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Drew Howard Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A. |
posted 23 February 2004 01:04 PM
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Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
posted 23 February 2004 01:29 PM
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Hey, what the $@%* is Cab Calloway doin' sitting at RR's guitar!  ------------------ |
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Jesse Pearson Member From: San Diego , CA |
posted 23 February 2004 05:16 PM
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Drew, thank you very much man, that's just what I needed. Robert looks great and the band is grooving on that E voodoo funk. Guys, we got ourselves a cutting contest, yea ha! I got the drum machine and the 4 track out and I'm reading the books as we speak to learn how to work it hopefully. I'll lay down the bass and drums as close to what RR' band is doing and maybe add a little organ, but I'm not saying I'm a keyboard player. If all goes right, I'll record us a jam track with some kinda head that I'll write out and post in music notation with the audio. This one will be for cutting each other and I'll also post the same thing with me soloing on guitar. Thanks y'all, you got me going now. My girlfriends been trying to get me to record something so that I could use it to let musicians hear and convince them to make the trip out here to jam and put a band together. Since this thread started as a question about "what ya gonna do if" this will answer that question for each of us. Sorry I can't play steel like guitar yet, but I think you'll dig it.  [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 24 February 2004 at 07:25 PM.] |
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Craig Stock Member From: Westfield, NJ USA |
posted 24 February 2004 07:14 AM
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Jesse, How about starting a cyber-band, find players here or elsewhere on the net, write songs, record your parts and then send it to others to fill-in. There is so much talent out here and it would solve the distance problem. Hey, some real neat stuff could come of it. Just my two-cents.-craig |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 24 February 2004 08:06 AM
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What's the minimal (cheapest) recording/computer equipment needed to participate in such a virtual jam? |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 24 February 2004 09:14 AM
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....for some reason, this thread reminds me of B.B. King's quote when he said: "I never could play like someone else.....so I guess that's why I play like me! |
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Steinar Gregertsen Member From: Arendal, Norway |
posted 24 February 2004 09:43 AM
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David,- I'm involved in such a project on another forum, we're even thinking about making it a full CD project. What is needed is a program that allows you to import mp3 files and record your track with the exact same starting point as the mp3 of the backing track, and then export your track as a wav/aiff and mp3 file. Could be 'anything' from high class programs like ProTools and Nuendo to Cakewalk, Sonar and such. The way we do it is that someone makes a rough backing track, upload it to a server where the rest can download it, then we upload our tracks as mp3 files to the same server. Rough mixes are made in mp3, while the final mixes will be made when all tracks are finished and mailed on CD as full wav or aiff files to whoever will mix it (of course, those with broadband connection can email the files too). It's great fun, and although working like this will never create the same results as doing a project the 'normal' way, it is a great experience. And as I said,- all it takes is being able to record along a backing track using the EXACT same starting point (if not it will be almost impossible to line the tracks in sync). It's also a good idea to keep all wav or aiff files in the same resolution. Steinar ------------------ [This message was edited by Steinar Gregertsen on 24 February 2004 at 09:45 AM.] |
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Jesse Pearson Member From: San Diego , CA |
posted 24 February 2004 11:28 AM
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Cool, I would love to be able to jam with players around the world. As far as equipment is concerned, I'm figuring out how to program an old Tr-505 drum machine by breaking each measure down into 16th notes. There's also an old Vesta Fire 4 track laying around here, so I'm figuring out how that works also. My girl friend said we can record the jam track etc. by playing it off the stereo when it's done and then recording it with a mic hooked up to the computer. First steps are hard, but I'm real excited about this. I already have been putting a boom box up to the computer speakers to record music for awhile now, it's not hi fi but it works. Hopefully I'll have the jam track done in a couple a more days and we can start having some fun. The skys the limit with how we can apply this concept to learning approaches from one another. |
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Jesse Pearson Member From: San Diego , CA |
posted 24 February 2004 07:35 PM
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I tuned up my tele and learned the bass and the chords and I have to honestly say, these guys are great! This song was made for E voodoo funk guitar, I'm totally sold on these guys now. This is the perfect jam song to have someone in the bar sit in. When I stopped concentrating just on the steel and instead looked at it as a whole I realized why their so popular. This stuff was made for Texas blues funk guitar. I wouldn't be surprised if this song becomes a club standard for Top 40 bands. Thanks for hipping me to him guys, I'm still working on the jam tape. |
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Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA |
posted 24 February 2004 11:12 PM
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This discussion is getting a little personal (not to say juvenile) for me..... However I will point out that the Campbell Brothers are playing with Robben Ford this Weekend at BB King's Blues club in NYC this weekend, rather than busking.... Next week Darrick Campbell will be playing with my group at the Tractor Tavern in Seattle (Thursday 3/4) and will be recording with us, so I guess not everybody thinks I suck I will also say it doesn't make any sense to me to have a 'cutting contest' with somebody who thinks the blues are about playing scales, because we would be speaking different languages. To be honest, I prefer to play music. And I should know better than to have a battle of wits with the unarmed.... ------------------ [This message was edited by Dan Tyack on 24 February 2004 at 11:23 PM.] [This message was edited by Dan Tyack on 24 February 2004 at 11:24 PM.] |
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Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
posted 25 February 2004 02:43 AM
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I'm not taking anybody's side, here, but to say, or imply, that ANY music is not about scales, is like saying writing is not about an alphabet. Consciously or not, whenever or whatever we play, comes out of SOME scale pattern. Note arrangement, selection, timing, may be ours to claim, but scales???? |
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Steinar Gregertsen Member From: Arendal, Norway |
posted 25 February 2004 02:57 AM
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Just to add to Dan's list,- I remember reading that the Campbell Brothers had recorded with Steve Gadd a while back (but then, he's a drummer so what does he know about scales.... )Steinar ------------------ |
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Jesse Pearson Member From: San Diego , CA |
posted 25 February 2004 06:44 AM
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That's cool Dan, what ever you think is fine with me, sorry for hurting your feelings. I do believe I said you had a good backup band, my comments were directed at you only. The 2 measure phrases found in this song are great for laying Cornell Dupree and Niles Rogers Rhythm guitar work over. Maceo Parker works over the top too. As for busking, alot of famous guys and gals have done it. Most musicians can't busk and make any decent money at it, it's just too much of a head trip for em. Oh and Dan, just thought I might share with you that BB King used to busk out in Memphis and would make up to $400.00 on a good weekend night and that was back in the 40'. I'm glad you hold Robben Ford in such high asteem, if you get a chance to talk with him about scales/blues, do it. Learning scales is part of the over all equation, but as we all know it all comes down to phrasing. And depending on the type of music we are playing, voice leading in you line can be very important and is what I find to be the hardest thing to get to turn into automatic pilot. [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 25 February 2004 at 11:38 AM.] |
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Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA |
posted 25 February 2004 10:14 AM
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Steinar said quote: I was on that session too (check out the picture on the Campbell Brothers site). Unfortunately, some technical and political issues prevented that from getting out, too bad. Gadd is a big Campbell Brothers fan, he's been out to their church a number of times. But as you said, what does he know... About Robben Ford, I am a huge Robben Ford fan, ever since I saw him opening for Big Brother (sans Janis) and Chuck Berry in 1972. He's a great example of a phenominal blues player who hasn't let theory and chops get in the way of his playing.... ------------------ [This message was edited by Dan Tyack on 25 February 2004 at 10:14 AM.] |
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Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
posted 25 February 2004 10:14 AM
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busk To play music or perform entertainment in a public place, usually while soliciting money. |
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Jesse Pearson Member From: San Diego , CA |
posted 25 February 2004 04:29 PM
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Pete, I'm not sure what your trying to say about busking, but it means playing on the street. Playing by yourself works best unless you have something really special worked out with someone else. There are guys up in SF that are great club musicians that still busk so they can afford to work the clubs, same thing with NYC. The term came from Europe, where it's quite common to hear incredible musicians playing on the street. Huey Lewis busked twice thru Europe playing the harp and singing before anyone here in the states knew who he was. Lucinda Williams busked for 2 years in Austin Texas as her sole income before she ever made it. Little Walter said he preferred the freedom of busking over club work and did it till the day he died. Bo Diddly freely admits to being a great busker in his day. Anne Lennox was busking when she was discovered. I mean the list goes on and on. Guys over in Europe here on the forum have shared busking stories with me. To quote bird "we musicians prefer to let the music do the talking rather than words". That's just what were gonna do, if someone doesn't want to participate in working out on a RR song, who's gonna care? I'm gonna play Robert's solo note for note and then go into my own thing, should be alot of fun. [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 25 February 2004 at 04:41 PM.] |
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Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
posted 25 February 2004 05:11 PM
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I have never heard the word "busk"(before this thread), and expect I'm not alone. Purely informative (and kinda entertaining!)... Nothing more, nothing less. ~pb |
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CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France |
posted 26 February 2004 01:13 AM
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Yes Busking has (and still is) been popular in Europe for decades i believe the term "busking" came from England i used to busk alone or w: others in the Metro and at the Beaubourg museum in Paris. i always made some good money until the Man came down or too many other buskers spoiled things. Buskers can still make some good $$$ over on the coasts (Atlantic and Mediteranean)playing Café and Restaurant terrasses the area where David D lives is alive w: buskers too to get back to the original thread ... |
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Franklin Member From: |
posted 26 February 2004 07:07 AM
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Crowbear, Nobody can play understandable songs without applying theory. Its like talking, folks do it and don't know how to spell or define a word of what they say. But to speak understandable sentences, theory application has to take place..... Paul |
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Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA |
posted 26 February 2004 08:14 AM
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Paul's absolutely right. It's like grammar. Everybody has an internal understanding of sentence structure which they apply in order to be understood, even if they couldn't tell the difference between a preposition and a participle. It's the same with music theory. My comment about Robben Ford not letting theory get in the way of his playing was trying to be humorous. But the underlying truth of the statement is that Robben has an amazing ability to encorporate bop and other jazz ideas into his blues playing, and have sound 'organic'. |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 26 February 2004 09:36 AM
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Paul and Dan are both correct. Early learning is essential for the proper execution of anything.......but it's application in music, as in grammer, must become an inherent quality if it is to be executed correctly. Except for teaching, it is not necessary that the user of correct written and spoken grammer to be able to diagram a sentence.....or, for a musician to consciously diagram theory when he is playing! It must have become an inherent quality of the individual! |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 26 February 2004 09:48 AM
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Fair warning here: I'm going to close this topic soon because of its length. Summarize now if you must. ------------------ |
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CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France |
posted 26 February 2004 10:45 AM
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Gentlemen, i hear ya and agree i did'nt want to imply that BB, Albert, JB and Muddy did'nt know theory. when i listen to their musical careers, i'm convinced that their knowledge of Theory and scales were somewhat limited compared to Duke, or T Bone and many present day musicians Granted, BB, + Albert, played w; big bands and knew the ropes but i don't think that Lightnin' Hopkins, John Lee Hooker, Son House and many others from the Delta were that evolved theory wise. (remember a kat called one string Sam ?) i don't consider that theory should be disregarded - far from it- back in the 30s and 40s down in the Delta it sure was'nt Harlem and the Cotton Club i hope yall manage to put up w: my jive uh oh ! i hear the locks a rattlin'.... [This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 26 February 2004 at 10:51 AM.] |
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Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA |
posted 26 February 2004 12:10 PM
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Here's another analogy: Paul Franklin Sr. doesn't have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering, nor could talk about Quantum Mechanics. But anybody who has seen or played a Franklin guitar knows that he is a genius at mechanical design and the application of the underlying theories, whether or not he could give an academic explanation of why he does what he does. |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 26 February 2004 05:25 PM
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And on that happy note, we'll call it a wrap. Thanks for participating, everyone. ------------------ |
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