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CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 16 August 2004 02:40 AM     profile     
i'm transmitting this mail to all here on behalf of Ken Kase, the fellow who wrote the article on Robert Randolph -
i recommend you go to his link and vote for your favorite steel player

Hello Steel Guitar Forum folks. In response to my Robert Randolph article which ruffled so many feathers, I promised to give you folks the opportunity to vote to tell me who the greatest living pedal steel guitar player is. Well, here’s your chance. Go to my editorial column, and towards the bottom you’ll find a list of candidates (suggested by you) and a link for e-mail to cast your vote. Enjoy!
http://www.nighttimes.com/nt_main.asp?page=editorial

The other piece that got me into trouble was my review of Robert Randolph and the Family Band’s show here in St. Louis. I wrote an upbeat, positive review of a performance that I really enjoyed—so much so that I had the audacity to call Mr. Randolph the “greatest living pedal steel guitar player”. Well, that bent some folks out of shape. Apparently there’s a radical posse of pedal steel guitar players and afficionados out there who were prepared to string me up, as it were. Man, this really matters to these folks.
Some were rude, but some were very gracious and made some good points. I promised them that they would have their turn to weigh in on this matter on NT. They made suggestions about who the greatest living pedal steel guitar player really is and I promised to print their names in full. Here they are:

Smiley Roberts
Buddy Emmons
Lloyd Green
Bobbe Seymour
Paul Franklin Jr
Jimmy Day
Reece Anderson
Sonny Curtis
Milo Deering
Buzz Evans
Neil Flanz
Joe Goldmark
Sneaky Pete Kleinow
Lloyd Maines
Lucky Oceans
Weldon Myrick
Red Rhodes
Mike Smith
Bud Tutmarc
Roy Ayres
Dallas Frazier
Doug Jernigan
John Hughey
Rusty Young
Sarah Jory
Buddy Cage
Buddy Charleton
Don Helms
Herb Steiner
Dan Tyack
Jerry Garcia
Hal Rugg
JD Maness
Tommy White
Joe Wright
BJ Cole
Pete Drake
Jim Loessberg
Ricky Davis
Jim Cohen
David Wright
Jimmie Crawford
Johnny Cox
Russ Hicks
Randy Beavers
Del Mullen
Tom Brumley

--Ken Kase
Editor
edited: please don't hold it agains me if your hero is not on the list.
feel free to vote for him nevertheless

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 17 August 2004 at 10:33 AM.]

Andy Zynda
Member

From: Wisconsin

posted 16 August 2004 06:28 AM     profile     
I'm very surprised that Speedy West isn't in the list.
-andy-
Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 16 August 2004 06:31 AM     profile     
Andy, this is for the greatest living steel guitarist (oh, and I should note, it said greatest living pedal steel guitarist, so don't be lookin' for Jerry Byrd, either.)

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 16 August 2004 at 06:32 AM.]

Joe Casey
Member

From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

posted 16 August 2004 06:54 AM     profile     
I guess this is the umptheen time this has been a thread. I agree with all the above, but my favorite steelers are the ones who are journeyman players out there surviving, who are overlooked, never get the notoriety they deserve. These players are recording their own music at their own expenses. (great stuff too). They travel all over the country and beyond displaying their talents and selling their products at Steel shows or at the gigs they play.Some are lucky enough to get help with their product.I commend these talented musicians and these are among the my favorites. Smiley Roberts,Jim Cohen,JIm Smith,Jim Roule'Jerry Brightman.I continue to buy all the new music Russ Hicks,BE,Lloyd and looking forward to many new products by them and others in ST.L.

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Jack Smith
Member

From: Nashville, TN

posted 16 August 2004 07:09 AM     profile     
Please tell me that I just over looked Paul Franklin and Tommy Whites names.
Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 16 August 2004 07:11 AM     profile     
All this "greatest living" stuff is boring. Only a writer who wants info to promote his work would have the need to indulge in this mess. I personally won't be suckerd in to giving my opinion to some guy who obviously, from his former review does not have a clue and is just trolling for writing material.

Don't fall into this.

He wrote that RR "is the greatest living steel guitarist". Anyone who would write that is uninformed. Journalist are just a dime a dozen and this guy, in regards to the steel guitar, is about number 0.

If Ken Kase wants to become a responsible,educated music critic then let him do the work himself. There is plenty of info here on the forum and on the net for him. He knows that what he wrote was pretty ill advised and now he wants the Steel Forum community to just spoon feed him so he can take it all and put his journalistic spin on it and come out looking better than he does now.

He should have done his homework on his own before he made such blanket "looks good on paper" statements.

CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 16 August 2004 07:15 AM     profile     
indeed Jack
let's not hold it against Ken Kase for omitting these great steelers
looks like Ken was referring to the ones he got in those emails over the RR debate.
i'm sure Ken is'nt as hip as to who's who like we are
obviously, the votes are not confined to that list
Get out and vote ! i did....
Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 16 August 2004 08:22 AM     profile     
I think the guy is trying to be straight up with us. He doesn't have to give a damn what we think. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he can do the PSG some more good in the future. It's true he could have done a little more homework on the PSG before this article. I am a little surprised as to some of the names that made the list and the ones that were not included.

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Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 16 August 2004 09:38 AM     profile     
Define "greatest".

Greatness is not simply chops. It includes vision, fame, and a far-reaching influence on all who practice the art. It sets the bar by which all who follow are measured.

If you have to single out one "greatest living pedal steel guitarist", it doesn't matter who else is on the list. Everyone one of us knows who the greatest pedal steel player is. Let's show this guy some solidarity.

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Lee Baucum
Member

From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier

posted 16 August 2004 09:47 AM     profile     
It's Mullen, not Mullin!

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Lee, from South Texas
Down On The Rio Grande

JB Arnold
Member

From: Longmont,Co,USA

posted 16 August 2004 10:04 AM     profile     
b0b's right. There's really no debate here. And if you want your side of the story to be presented in the press, ya gotta tell 'em what to write. He IS doing his research-he's asking the folks who ought to know.

Tired of Emmons getting ignored? Here's your chance to set it straight. And be polite-you'll get farther. It's not his fault he's not an expert on a niche instrument very few people play well. He probably got that line from RR's publicist. And if he gets an overwhelming response for Emmons, he may do a story on that! Clearly, he's interested. Let's not run him off. And bickering amongst ourselves over this is silly-there's simply no arguement here at this time.

JB

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CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 16 August 2004 10:10 AM     profile     
Richard S, JB and our Capt' are right on !
Bill H, lighten up and have Fun
Lee, i edited the spelling

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 16 August 2004 at 10:13 AM.]

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 16 August 2004 10:18 AM     profile     
Okay, I'm voting for Buddy, naturally, even though I love Robert Randolph. But b0b is the greatest banjo player.
Mark Krutke
Member

From: Tomahawk, WI USA

posted 16 August 2004 10:46 AM     profile     
....E....
Andy Zynda
Member

From: Wisconsin

posted 16 August 2004 11:08 AM     profile     
Oops, didn't read the category correctly...
LIVING...
There's no question in my mind..
Mr. Emmons has my vote.
(and my envy....)
-andy-
Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 16 August 2004 12:53 PM     profile     
I'm in---one more vote for Buddy!
Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 16 August 2004 01:01 PM     profile     
Doug Jernigan
Ron Elliott
Member

From: Madison, Tennessee, USA

posted 16 August 2004 01:22 PM     profile     
Hi Crowbear, Mac Wiseman had a great song years ago.."'Tis Sweet to Be Remembered",.. I'm so sorry I missed the list. Are you going to make St. Louis? Ron Elliott
Stephen LeBlanc
Member

From: Los Angeles, CA

posted 16 August 2004 01:33 PM     profile     
There is no 'greatest living pedal steel player'...it's just plain silly to look at musicians that way...however, IMO, every player on the list above is more impressive than Robert Randolph
David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 16 August 2004 01:41 PM     profile     
Not if your favorite music is blues/rock. People who don't care for country music or Western swing would be left cold by most of those on the list. So it all depends.
Wally Maples
Member

From: Murfreesboro, Tennessee, USA

posted 16 August 2004 01:58 PM     profile     
The greatest living pedal steel guitar player is always the ONE I am listening to at the time.
Stephen LeBlanc
Member

From: Los Angeles, CA

posted 16 August 2004 02:21 PM     profile     
quote:
People who don't care for country music or Western swing would be left cold by most of those on the list.

only because they're ignorant...so who cares what they think anyway? J/K

[This message was edited by Stephen LeBlanc on 16 August 2004 at 02:21 PM.]

Tim Harr
Member

From: East Peoria, Illinois

posted 16 August 2004 03:06 PM     profile     
How could you not include Paul Franklin Jr on this list???

Just goes to show you that opinions and taste vary greatly on this topic.

Fred Jack
Member

From: Bay City Texas

posted 16 August 2004 03:52 PM     profile     
Wally I wondered how long it would take for someone to give your answer.I have dozens,literally hundreds of albums and my fave is the one on the turntable. Fred
Larry Jamieson
Member

From: Walton, NY USA

posted 16 August 2004 04:07 PM     profile     
Any list of the great living steel players should, no MUST include John Hughey.
Steve Dodson
Member

From: Sparta, Tennessee, USA

posted 16 August 2004 05:35 PM     profile     
Sonny Garrish
Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 16 August 2004 05:46 PM     profile     
My favorite steel player is Buddy Bryant of Waco TX.

Al Marcus
Member

From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 16 August 2004 06:22 PM     profile     
Greatest Living Pedal Steel Player? ??? Is he Kidding?......al

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Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 16 August 2004 06:55 PM     profile     
Bud Charleton.

EJL

David Friedlander
Member

From: New York, New York, USA

posted 16 August 2004 09:03 PM     profile     
Did anyone say " Buddy Cage" cuz he sure belongs in this company.

Ben Keith is sure a great one too.

Justin Griffith
Member

From: Taylor, Texas, USA

posted 16 August 2004 09:04 PM     profile     
Don Sowersby
Temple, Tx
No Doubt in my mind

[This message was edited by Justin Griffith on 16 August 2004 at 09:06 PM.]

David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 16 August 2004 11:54 PM     profile     
Clearly Ken Kase had no clue BEFORE the article, but now is doing more research, and going to the source.
The most condensed grouping of steel music fans and players.

I sent him a nice long message, adding Paul Franklin.
But also why many of those names deserve equal mention for their strong points.
Such as speed picking,
jazz improv,
solid base of work,
impecable harmono-melodic sense

As well as contribution to the instrument both a a player and as an innovator.

A better phrase might have been : Most Influencial Steeler.
Some one included high up on ever steelers best list in several catagories.

Over all by the most criteria, it has to be Buddy Emmons.

Sure there are some players who do things BE isn't doing, but there are so many things he DID FIRST, and still does in exemplary fashion.

But I ain't never seen pick blocking like Joe Wiright, excepty possibly Paul Franklin.. but I haven't seen him live yet.

Doug Jernigan is the king of fiddle tunes and does bebop lines as good as anybody around.

Paul Franklin is extremely versatile, fast and precise, and has some lovely fusion jazz pieces and fast fiddle tunes to his credit.

Lloyd Green has the best taste around : less notes more feeling.

But BE has much of the above,
has been there and done that before most anyone,
Is still doing it to an high order,
Is likely listed as an influence by ALL the above players to one extent or another.
He is a chord maven and a single note wailer.

And then add things like Sho-Bud, Emmons PP, Splitting A + B, and other mechanical inovations.

Playing seminal tracks with legends at an early age
.
A 50+ year career! And still pickin'

His basic copedent is considered a standard.
When you set up a steel what is likely the 1st question you are asked :
Emmons Vs Day... well there's more Emmons.

Ken Kase deserves a respectful steeler education, because then he WILL publicize the players and the instrument to the benifit of all.
And he is interested... don't knock it.

We have an RR wave to ride, to elevate the PSG to new recognition and to induct a new generation into it's delights.
Lets not waste the possible exposure.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 17 August 2004 at 12:02 AM.]

Mike Headrick
Member

From: Jasper, TN, USA

posted 17 August 2004 03:44 AM     profile     
If all the players on that list were asked to vote, it would be unanimous. The exception might be the one they all voted for, who is too humble to share that opinion.
Now, who might that person B.E?

My vote is cast.

[This message was edited by Mike Headrick on 17 August 2004 at 08:33 AM.]

Jerry Lee Newberry
Member

From: Van Buren, AR, USA

posted 17 August 2004 05:47 AM     profile     
I'm with Larry J. on the Hughey thing!!!!!!! Can't believe his name was not on the list. Donna
Jim Thompson
Member

From: Washington, Pa. USA

posted 17 August 2004 05:58 AM     profile     
Just my $.02 worth. By far Buddy Emmons is the greatest player of all time, but I was very surprised that, my favorite, John Hughey didn't make the list that was first posted. Paul Franklin ranks very high on that list too. I think if you ask any of those who did make the list, most of them would agree that B.E. gets the crown. That was very obvious at Catttanooga in May when Emmons played, and there was standing room only. All of the guys on the above list that were there, were in the room to hear him play. The vendor booths outside of the main hall were closed down so everyone could listen to the master. 'Nuff said.

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John Hughey's biggest fan

CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 17 August 2004 06:44 AM     profile     
gee guys ! don't you get it that if your favorite steeler is'nt on the list that it WAS'NT intentional !
Ken Kase is NOT a Steel Afficianado !
he's just a reporter tryin' to righten the so called wrong he did on his article on RR and thus give us, the steel community, the opportunity of voting for who we consider to be " the Greatest Living Steel Guitar Player"
now, i'm gonna go back and edit Ken's list and add those who are missing so those of you who don't find your hero there can find it easier to vote
gee, it ain't cause your heroes ain't on the list, that you can't vote for'em
now stop whinin' and VOTE !
Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 17 August 2004 07:38 AM     profile     
First my Fav wasn't in the list but now that he is i will change my vote into PF jr.
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 17 August 2004 08:21 AM     profile     
I voted for Buddy Emmons.

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Bob
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Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 17 August 2004 09:14 AM     profile     
I think it's a simple question. It's not "Who is your favorite player?" or "Who is the best player?". The question is "Who is the greatest living pedal steel guitarist?".

Like I said before, you have to define "greatness" to answer the question. Once you do that, it narrows your choices to a small handful. I think that very few steel players disagree with me and Carl Dixon on this one, so let's show this guy the consensus.

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Sierra Session 12 (E9), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
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Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 17 August 2004 10:12 AM     profile     
OK, so who nominated Dallas Frazier?

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 17 August 2004 at 10:13 AM.]


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