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Bill cole Member From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA |
posted 03 September 2004 10:02 AM
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The only thing I remeber about Garcia is he couldn't play and he didn't sound in tune. Now this should bring some life |
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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 03 September 2004 10:21 AM
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Bill, just wondering. Did you ever see him play? |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 03 September 2004 03:17 PM
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an excellent question... JB ------------------ |
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Nate LaPointe Member From: Los Angeles, California, USA |
posted 03 September 2004 04:29 PM
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Funny Bill, the only thing I DO remember about Garicia was that he COULD play, and he did it with more passion and beauty than most people could even comprehend. |
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Bill cole Member From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA |
posted 03 September 2004 06:20 PM
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Kevin no never did see him but I heard him and wasn't to impressed. INMHO a steel player is more then someone who slides the bar up and down the strings to make ungodly noise. I don't say he shouldn't impress you or anyone else My thoughts of steel players are people like Emmons, Green, Franklin, White, to name only a few now these fellows don't make just noise Sorry if I mess in your corn flakes. |
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Jerry Warner Member From: Charleston, West Virginia, USA |
posted 03 September 2004 10:01 PM
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WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL W/ JERRY GARCIA ON STEEL COULD HE PLAY W/ THE BIG BOYS LIKE BUDDY,JIMMY, BYRD, RUGG,GREEN, SEYMOUR, WHITE,CHALKER,BRUMLEY,FRANKLIN,SASSER,HUGHY,DRAKE,ANDERSON,DOUG,AND SO ONE EXPLAIN WHAT HE DID FOR STEEL GUITAR, MAYBE I'M OUT IN LEFT FIELD ON THIS. THANKS |
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Jerry Warner Member From: Charleston, West Virginia, USA |
posted 03 September 2004 10:16 PM
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JUST REMEMBER THAT MR JERRY BYRD AND BUDDY ARE THE TRUE SOUNDS OF PICK AND BAR CONTROL AND NOT TO MENTION A HOLE LOT OF THE OTHERS THAT SHOWED A LOT OF ALL THATS TRYING TO DO THERE THING ON THAT THING CALLED PEDAL STEEL GUITAR, SO KEEP ON PICKING THAT THING THATS HARD TO MASTER. |
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Brendan Mitchell Member From: Melbourne Australia |
posted 03 September 2004 11:41 PM
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What's the problem hear? Jerry Garcia was the #1 steel player for many years according to "Guitar Player" magazine.And I'd like to hear Buddy Emmons or Lloyd Green play such a tastefull solo as the one on Teach your Children Well.Yeah go Jerry , you rock. Regards Brendan |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 04 September 2004 12:11 AM
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Nate LaPointe Member From: Los Angeles, California, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 02:49 AM
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Obviously, technique on your instrument is important to acheive the sounds you want to acheive. I spent years and years practicing scales on the ol' 6 string just to get my chops up. But I'd trade all the chops in the world for melody and phrasing. I thank Jerry for sharing his melodies with us all. Back to the topic...did Garcia ever touch the C6 neck? Were there steel players that he idolized? ------------------ [This message was edited by Nate LaPointe on 04 September 2004 at 02:51 AM.] |
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Chris Forbes Member From: Beltsville, MD, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 03:11 AM
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I'm fairly certain he touched the C6 neck every time his arms got tired and he wanted to rest them, LOL!!!!!! |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 04 September 2004 03:41 AM
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The big deal with Jerry is his music touched the souls of a generation that did not yet know of Buddy, Curley, and the rest. He admitted he wasn't in their League, but still his use of the PSG got them many young people exposed to it. THey would later discover Buddy, and the others. Just as Chuck Berry had nowhere the skills of Chet Atkins, but is responsible for bring many people to Guitar, who later discovered Chet, and peers.
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Bill cole Member From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 04:39 AM
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I am not saying he didn't touch some people just I don't happen to be one of them. Maybe to some people he was great. But then again I am sure we could find some fault with all musicians if we try. I have my taste in music and you have yours thats not to say that either of us are wrong just diffrent. And Kevin you said you wanted to wake this place up. Have a good day [This message was edited by Bill cole on 04 September 2004 at 04:41 AM.] |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 04 September 2004 08:20 AM
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Yepper, Kevin stirred it up. I suspect as a kid he liked to throw rocks at hornet's nests. Still no one answered his question. |
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Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA |
posted 04 September 2004 09:48 AM
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Maybe this has already been asked and/or answered, but: for those of us who are not that familiar with the subject, what other specific recordings (besides "Teach") did J.G. play PSG on? Thanks. |
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Bill cole Member From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 09:59 AM
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I was under the thought that he only did that song. Kevin talk to us tell us more about this great player maybe we will all change our minds. |
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Ray Rasmussen Member From: Santa Rosa, CA, |
posted 04 September 2004 10:12 AM
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Tom, The Grateful Dead albums "Workingman's Dead" and "American Beauty" feature quite a few songs with Garcia playing pedal steel. The most well known of these are probably Sugar Magnolia and Dire Wolf. [This message was edited by Ray Rasmussen on 04 September 2004 at 10:26 PM.] |
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Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
posted 04 September 2004 10:32 AM
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Jerry played steel on 17 studio Alblums in about 4 years. New Riders of the Purple Sage Grateful Dead Crosby, Stills, and Nash, and their following solo alblums. Several others.
Enjoy "Dirty Business" for some psychodelic steel ala Jerry G! Check www.jerrygarcia.com for current and future releases of Jerry G music. [This message was edited by Pete Burak on 04 September 2004 at 10:37 AM.] |
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Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 12:46 PM
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As I mentioned in an older post,JG played on a song by Steven Stills called changing partners, I think it is some real melodic stuff, a lot of BC pedal stuff, but pretty and appropriate. The song has a really cool time change on the chorus. It is on Steven Stills 2 if anyone is interested. There are many better steel players, who cares. Eric Johnson and Clapton and Satriani and a million other guitarists are better than myself, should I just quit playing? Should I give up on steel too? I'll never be as good as most of the members of this forum? JimP |
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Nate LaPointe Member From: Los Angeles, California, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 02:02 PM
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He also played on Jefferson Airplane's 1969 release "Volunteers." |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 04 September 2004 02:23 PM
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He also worked with Brewer and Shipley. The classic "One Toke Over the Line" is Garcia on steel. JB ------------------ |
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Mike Lovell Member From: Garland, Texas, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 04:35 PM
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A bad Jerry on steel is better than decades of arena rockers skreeching away with a craftsman socket on the ring finger and a shrill Strat. Mike |
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Bill cole Member From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 04:39 PM
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It sure seams like there was a guitar player Jimmy somebody who was into psychodelic music as well are you saying that this Jerry guy may have been a little Psychodelic if so that would probably explain this whole misunderstanding [This message was edited by Bill cole on 04 September 2004 at 09:04 PM.] |
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Brendan Mitchell Member From: Melbourne Australia |
posted 04 September 2004 04:41 PM
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To Jim Peters Thanks for reminding me about Change Partners---I used to love that song and had no idea that was Jerry on Steel Brendan |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 06:49 PM
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I don't understand the concept of denigrating a person's art after has died. Calling Jerry Garcia a "psycho" is downright cruel, Bill. You never even saw the man play! What can possibly be the basis for such a statement? You obviously don't know anything about him.  ------------------ |
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Bill cole Member From: Cheektowaga, New York, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 08:53 PM
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Bob I am only asking a question of those who have heard him more then I if you will go back and read I did not make a statement about Jerry Garca I only ask if that was what they were trying to say nothing more And I only said that I had heard about A Jimmy somebody playing psychodelic music. I have no idea what Jerry played. To you and others it may have been the most beautiful music ever written and my opinion may differ which only means we agree to disagree no attach on anyone personaly [This message was edited by Bill cole on 04 September 2004 at 09:30 PM.] |
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John Pelz Member From: Maineville, Ohio, USA |
posted 04 September 2004 10:02 PM
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quote: In addition to the abovementioned albums, add JG's first -- and self-titled -- solo album (JG PSG on "The Wheel"), as well as "Stella Blue" from the Dead's Wake of the Flood. Maybe some others, too, from those albums -- the latter two songs are just what popped into mind right off the bat... |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 04 September 2004 11:33 PM
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You have to watch out on the later Dead stuff-I forget the order of the albums, but by the time Mars Hotel came out, Garcia had put the steel to bed-which was before Wake of the Flood, I think. For instance, Garcia did NOT play the steel part on Pride of Cucamonga from Mars Hotel, which came out in about 73. Flood was after that, so that was probably not Garcia on Stella either, although I'm not home and don't have the LP handy to check. JB ------------------ |
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David Mason Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA |
posted 05 September 2004 04:45 AM
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The December 1995 Guitar Player magazine has a picture of Jerry playing an MCI pedal steel on the 1987 Dylan and the Dead tour. It's definitely the "fat gray" Jerry, not a misprint. He must have kept dabbling at least a bit. And it's OK for me to call people "fat & gray", I know all about it. |
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John Pelz Member From: Maineville, Ohio, USA |
posted 05 September 2004 07:35 AM
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quote: Point well-taken, JB. Floodcame out in '73 and Mars Hotel in '74, though, so maybe it may have been Garcia on PSG on Flood after all. I was looking at the liner notes for Flood, and altho the list of side-musicians run the gamut from Vassar Clements to Doug Sahm to Matthew Kelly, no additional musician was listed for PSG, so I simply assumed it must have been JG. (Altho I know what can happen when I assume...  ) Whoever the player is, I have to agree with previous posts (such as Joey's): altho Garcia's chops on PSG weren't necessarily anything to write home about (and he didn't), his playing (and Pete Drake's on Nashville Skyline) is what got me hip to steel guitar in the first place, and now Jerry Byrd, Tom Morrell, Dick McIntire, Andy Iona (and others) is what I listen to. Who woulda thunk it?  quote: Yep, he did intermittently play PSG on the '87 summer tour. I caught the 7/4/87 show at Foxboro Stadium; JG played PSG behind Dylan on "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight." [This message was edited by John Pelz on 05 September 2004 at 07:36 AM.] |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 05 September 2004 08:20 AM
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Yeah, I missed that tour, didn't come thru where I was. I'll have to listen to Stella again, haven't heard anything but live versions for a long time. It should be very obvious if it's Garcia or not. Cucamonga is obviously not him-whole tone and style is different. JB ------------------ |
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Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA |
posted 05 September 2004 08:59 AM
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Garcia on the Wake alblum. John McFee on the Pride cut. |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 05 September 2004 11:33 AM
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Ah! Excellent! Thanks Pete! JB ------------------ |
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John Pelz Member From: Maineville, Ohio, USA |
posted 05 September 2004 06:51 PM
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Yeah, Pete -- what JB said: thanks! |
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Mark van Allen Member From: loganville, Ga. USA |
posted 05 September 2004 09:09 PM
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Speaking of John McFee, was anybody else a big fan of Southern Pacific? What a cool band. I have a tape of them from Austin city limits that may be the most flawless performance I ever saw on that show- every single note perfectly placed, excellently crafted songs and stellar playing. I have to take note of John's post: quote:This is exactly my point with both Garcia and Robert Randolph...and Pete for that matter! When somebody brings so many folks to the steel fold, where is the mileage in denigrating their chops/style/background/stature? I just don't get it... ------------------ |
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Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
posted 05 September 2004 09:20 PM
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We've got a local station KBOO that does a GREAT Saturday country spot, followed by great bluegrass set until noon, and then if I'm not careful, I find myself sucked into the hour long mindless jams that only those that were there and "In the spirit" could appreciate. Some of them WERE pretty good, and they had a lot of balls in their song selection sometimes considering how "hep" they were supposed to be. The Dead ALWAYS set up a WALL of 15 inch JBLs with no mesh covers, and it made for a near perfect concert setup. I waited four long hours in 78 in Baltimore for them to set up, and it was kind of lost on my when I finally got in.. I liked Robt Hunter vocally I suppose with "Big Iron" and others, and JG's guitar to me was always mindless pentatonic noodling.. BUT The steel parts he laid down on Teach Your Children, AND others were some of the most tasty tracks I can think of. HOF? Why not? EJL |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 05 September 2004 09:36 PM
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Eric Robert Hunter was the writer. He didn't sing with the band-Bob Weir (Rhythym guitar) sang Big Iron, and most of the other country standards. JB ------------------ |
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City |
posted 05 September 2004 10:16 PM
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. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:33 PM.] |
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Patrick Smith Member From: Shreveport, LA, USA |
posted 06 September 2004 12:06 AM
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wow! This kind of thing just stuns me. It really does. How many hit tunes have you guys played on? I remember a similar thread several years ago where Toy Caldwell was raked through the coals for being out of tune etc etc etc etc etc. Unless i missed a memo somewhere the steel on "teach" ain't all that bad nor was Toy's work on the Marshall Tucker Band stuff. I'm still working on my first hit but haven't done it yet even with my extraordinary talent, how's it working out for y'all? They played and had success doing it, which is more than i can say for me and e1 else here , ain't that enough? Lighten up, leave em alone and go practice PMS [This message was edited by Patrick Smith on 06 September 2004 at 12:09 AM.] [This message was edited by Patrick Smith on 06 September 2004 at 12:10 AM.] [This message was edited by Patrick Smith on 06 September 2004 at 12:12 AM.] [This message was edited by b0b on 06 September 2004 at 11:04 PM.] |
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Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
posted 06 September 2004 01:03 AM
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JB.. I stand corrected. I was certainly in the spirit back when I heard them live... I'm certainly as amicable to a shitstorm as any and more than most, but I still think JG was a major force at the time with his simple little tasty pedal steel licks. If was just a bright, happy sounding little instrumental for chrissake. That's what I wanted to hear. Not a nother note. No better blocking, not more in tune. Looking back, that's what we ALL wanted to hear.. Maybe somebody else could have played it the same way.. but nobody stepped up at the time I think he probably used the C6 neck to do other things with... I grew up listening to TYC, and I remember hearing it a hell of a lot more than Sleepwalk. "Old and in the Way. That's what I heard them say. They used to heed the words he said, but that was yesterday..." That's me at 51 I guess.. There just ain't no figgering some things. EJL |
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