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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 30 August 2004 09:41 PM
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Okay, the forum's been a little blah lately. What was Jerry Garcia's copedant? What pickup tap did he use on his ZB Custom? left,right, or middle? |
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Chris Forbes Member From: Beltsville, MD, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 03:13 AM
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Oh you are a wicked, wicked man!!!!!!!! |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 31 August 2004 04:20 AM
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LOL  |
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David Mason Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 04:37 AM
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I'd be a better person if I knew what kind of thumbpick he used.... |
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Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA |
posted 31 August 2004 06:37 AM
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I bet Pete Grant could answer all of that. It would be cool to know what ZB setting was used on "Teach". Brad Sarno |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 10:10 AM
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On the first NRPS album, he used a lot of rock effects on steel. Was that the first album to feature an effects-laden pedal steel? It seemed very innovative at the time. |
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Chris Forbes Member From: Beltsville, MD, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 10:12 AM
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b0b, was that before The Flying Burrito Brothers? Sneaky used a whole lot of distortion on their first album. [This message was edited by Chris Forbes on 31 August 2004 at 10:13 AM.] |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 31 August 2004 10:19 AM
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A search of the Forum on Jerry Garcia yeilds tons of comments, but no real answer to Kevin's question. I'd like to know too, even though I can't think of any of his work that needs more than the basic three pedals and an E Lower lever. FWIW, I like Jerry. |
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Joe Henry Member From: Ebersberg, Germany |
posted 31 August 2004 11:55 AM
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In a 1971 Guitar Player interview, Jerry stated that he used "just the E9 neck and the three pedals to raise the tone and two levers to lower it". So I think it“s safe to assume those would have been the standard lowers for strings 4 and 8 on one and 2 on the other. Regards, JH |
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Chris Erbacher Member From: Sausalito, California, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 02:21 PM
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from what i can gather, he had a pretty standard setup and used the middle position on his pickup for Teach, but it sounds like he used the single tap position for the sounds he got on workingman's dead and the other stuff, i'm guessing because it doesn't seem to take as much space up in the recording, unlike the middle and triple tap positions which seem to take a bunch of space. he may have used the triple position for the new riders stuff, at least that is what it sounds like most of the time. with him anything was possible.... |
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Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana |
posted 31 August 2004 02:42 PM
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Did he tune JI or ET? 1" bar or 7/8"? Did he use an .011 gauge 3rd string? THESE are the questions that need to be answered! Joe |
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Lee Baucum Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier |
posted 31 August 2004 03:30 PM
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I didn't know Jerry played steel. Were there any well-known recordings with him playing steel?
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 05:57 PM
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"Teach Your Children" by Crosby, Stills and Nash is probably his best known steel work, Lee. Garcia surely tuned JI or even flatter on the thirds in some cases. His wasn't the best-tuned steel in the world.  |
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Lee Baucum Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier |
posted 31 August 2004 06:11 PM
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b0b - I was being facetious. I'm 50 years old and CS&N was one of my favorite groups. CSN&Y weren't too bad, either. I could only take so much of Neil's voice, though. I remember our band working for hours on those 3 and 4 part harmonies. I always got stuck with the high ones. I had the best falsetto voice at the time. Sorry for the off-topic drift. Lee |
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David Cobb Member From: Chanute, Kansas, USA |
posted 31 August 2004 06:48 PM
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channeling Jerry Garcia, channeling Jerry Garcia, come in Jerry... |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 31 August 2004 06:53 PM
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Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
posted 01 September 2004 12:00 AM
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Just out of that picture, to Jerry's right, is a Fender Twin Reverb, with JBL's. How do I know? It's got one of those little "JBL" badges in the lower right corner!! AND I'M STILL LOOKING FOR ONE!!!!!! |
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Mike Perlowin Member From: Los Angeles CA |
posted 01 September 2004 08:12 AM
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the REAL question is: If Jerry garcia and Robert Randolph were gay and went to Massachusists and got married ........................ |
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Mark van Allen Member From: loganville, Ga. USA |
posted 01 September 2004 10:13 AM
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 01 September 2004 12:22 PM
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We all need to find out what Jerry Garcia used, so we won't make the same mistake! |
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Russ Young Member From: Seattle, Washington, USA |
posted 01 September 2004 12:24 PM
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From what I've read, Jerry Garcia used a wide variety of controlled substances ... [This message was edited by Russ Young on 01 September 2004 at 12:27 PM.] |
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Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA |
posted 01 September 2004 01:54 PM
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Orange Sunshine - good Humbolt County - good Twinkies - bad China Black - bad
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 01 September 2004 02:01 PM
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Yeah, Jerry had his vices-but from what I've read, the ones that did him in were strictly over the counter-The aforementioned twinkies, and lucky strikes. JB ------------------ |
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City |
posted 01 September 2004 02:20 PM
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. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:32 PM.] |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 01 September 2004 04:32 PM
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Same book-He had slid back into drugs, everyone knew it, and his relatively new wife asked him if that's what he wanted to do. He said no, and checked into the rehab to get sober. He was there several days befoe passing away in his sleep. Congestive Heart Failure was the primary cause, (I'm in St Louis and don't have the book with me, so I'm going from memory) which is something a LOT of us are flirting with. Garcia from the very early days never had very good eating or health habits-according to Cage it was not unusual to find Garcia backstage with his own personal bucket of KFC just hanging out, and he was a notorious junk food junkie. He smoked a couple packs a day-many times more-and had fallen into a diabetic coma at least once and almost died then. His health was never the best to begin with, and diabetic flareups were not uncommon (he was not born with it, he developed it.) The Dr.'s said that while his drug use certainly could not be ignored, it was not the primary cause of his death. Anyone with the kind of habits Garcia had would have been in poor shape, even without the drugs, esepecially with the diabetic flareups. Garcia did not OD, he died in a rehab facility. His widow later said that he had developed a problem with sleep apnea as well, and that had been her concern. I guess you might call it self induced natural causes. JB ------------------ |
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Steve Frost Member From: Scarborough,Maine |
posted 01 September 2004 05:10 PM
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I like Jerry. RIP [This message was edited by Steve Frost on 27 February 2005 at 01:00 PM.] |
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City |
posted 01 September 2004 05:54 PM
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. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:32 PM.] |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 01 September 2004 06:19 PM
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This is actually a pretty civil thread on Garcia. Most of the posters are fans-the real vitriol has been shifted to RR, who is the latest high profile steeler to have the audacity to be more famous than Emmons. But that's another thread... This is all pretty harmless-just folks gabbing about Jerry. Some tongues pretty firmly in cheek. JB ------------------ |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 01 September 2004 06:20 PM
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Cool it, folks. |
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City |
posted 01 September 2004 06:26 PM
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. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:33 PM.] |
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Steve Frost Member From: Scarborough,Maine |
posted 02 September 2004 04:35 AM
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Sorry guys- my quip seemed witty at the time, but it doesn't stand up to the morning light. That's what I get for posting at the end of a long day. My apologies for a post that I don't wish to defend. Viva la Forum! |
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City |
posted 02 September 2004 08:49 AM
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. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:33 PM.] |
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Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA |
posted 02 September 2004 09:40 AM
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The weird thing is that you never seem to see any of those people who come on with guns blazing, tongues lashing, and fingers flying at the mention of anything remotely negative in regard to RR do the same for JG. 'Course, maybe I just haven't been paying attention. |
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Gary Carriger Member From: Corpus Christi, Texas, USA |
posted 02 September 2004 09:56 AM
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...... yawn......... |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 02 September 2004 02:00 PM
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quote:Well, Robert Randolph is technically a much better steel player than Jerry Garcia ever was. RR is a steel player who dabbles in guitar a little bit. JG was a guitarist who dabbled in steel for a short time during his long career. I doubt that Jerry would disagree with many of the disparaging comments about his steel playing. He knew he wasn't very good at it. His saving grace was his consummate musicianship, which shown through on any instrument he touched (even, I've been told, on the b@n&o!). ------------------ |
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Lee Baucum Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier |
posted 02 September 2004 03:32 PM
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So. When do we start picking on Toy Caldwell (Marshall Tucker Band)? ------------------ |
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Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA |
posted 02 September 2004 03:45 PM
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quote: I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, but it seems to me that people who made that sort of statement about [fill in name here] being a better steel player than Robert Randolf in past threads were severely brow-beaten. [This message was edited by Tom Olson on 02 September 2004 at 03:46 PM.] |
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Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA |
posted 02 September 2004 04:18 PM
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I liked JG because he played MUSICALLY. He had IMO a neat style that was very snappy and percussive. It wasn't very developed technically, but individuality is hard to achieve for most of us. Many players on this forum could blow him away on the steel, but how many could have come up with a better signature riff? I love Teach, the song, and as a beginner on steel, I'm having a blast playing along with Teach and other New Riders, Poco,CSNY stuff. So what if his ability was limited? Kevin H. you ought to be shot for stirrin it up! Are you coming to St. Louis this weekend? See you all there. JimP |
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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 02 September 2004 06:14 PM
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Can I be # 38 Jim? Thanks. Unfortunately I have to play. Were opening for a couple of Nashville acts and its the end of a very busy summer season. I would have liked to meet you. I got a chance to see Jerry Garcia play pedal steel guitar twice with the New Riders . He actually used a lunch room chair when I saw him play. Very, very unique. Whatever instrument Garcia picked up turned into that Garcia magic. He had that west coast staccato thing happening. Looking back I consider seeing him play a real experience. Maybe Pete Grant could come on and shed some light on his copedant and coil tap choice. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 02 September 2004 at 06:15 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 02 September 2004 at 06:16 PM.] |
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Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
posted 03 September 2004 08:52 AM
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Cricket, cricket, cricket... |
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