RIP Jerry, and may all the critics be so lucky that 10+- years after they are "Dead", they too are remembered.

Also, I find it quite ironic that Garcia's Teach Your Children solo seems to always get a bad rap here, because if I had to bet on which steel solo is the most widely recognized and has been played (at some point) by more budding and pro steelers than any other, this would be it. Have you?

read again Phelps, I didn't say that everyone here was knocking him nor did i say that mentioning his so called limited technical skills was a knock but if you read these types of threads we seem to love to put down anybody, particularly those that come from the guitar player pool, who have the audacity to play our beloved instrument and God forbid actually have some commercial success. The guy played some pretty cool stuff with whatever level of skills the fine folks here hold him to, Toy Caldwell did the same, isn't that enough? I guess not for some but then again, i'll be patiently waiting for their next hits to scream up the charts as i'm sure it can't be long.

"Teach" was later released in a compilation with Crosby, Stills, Nash, Suzie Bogas, Kathy Mattia, and Allison Krauss.

The steel player was more skilled than Jerry (Paul Fanklin, I think) but IMO, it's just doesn't grab me like original.

Here's a small (106 KB) MP3 of the two intros side by side:
http://www.joeyace.com/audio/tycAB.mp3

UPDATE - Sept 9

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" I just wanted to confirm that it was in fact Paul Franklin listed with the steel credit on the version of "Teach Your Children" done by Suzy Bogguss, Alison Krauss & Kathy Mattea (with Crosby, Stills and Nash).

It was on a 1994 Album called "Red Hot + Country--a benefit for AIDS educational relief"
http://www.redhot.org/projects/rhcountryindex.html


Cheers,

Lawrence Lupkin"

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"If you look again, Smith"

ditto on that "way of expressing yourself" thingy

[This message was edited by b0b on 06 September 2004 at 11:06 PM.]

Didn't know if you were aware of this, but one of the most famous versions of "Old and In The Way" is a live recording with JOhn Kahn, Peter Rowan, Vasar Clements, David Grisman and on Banjo.....Jerry Garcia. It's a world class bluegrass album that really shows off Garcia's talent on the instrument.

JB

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Still, I wonder if some of that may be because Jerry's version is what we've heard for so many years and it's familiar to us?

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Being a lap steel player I usually don't stick my nose in your pedals, but let me comment on this one: I can't remember hearing any of these versions, and I preferred the first one, simply because of it's immediate rawness.
Just my two fingerpicks......

Steinar

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There's actually three Old and In The Way albums out. Great stuff if you are a Bluegrass fan.

On the liner notes from one of the albums is a story that when the group first formed, Vassar was not aware of Jerry's other group. They were pulling into San Francisco and Vassar looked up and saw a Dead billboard, turned to Jerry and sain "Hey Jerry, there's a guy up there who looks just like you."

Jerry was a well know and very respected banjo player. He credited his guitar techinque (hand position, etc.) to his years of playing banjo.

jdg

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I didn't know this song before listening to the sample, and neither did my mother.
And we both prefered Jerry's playing.

You can hear more of Jerry's version at "Rebel and Ricky's" Tab site. http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/1970.html

Yeah, I know a bit about those modded twins-I had my reissue done that way to Healy's specs. Buddy used them as preamps. Then into McIntosh 2800's, sometimes 5 or 6 of them, then into about a dozen or more Hard Trucker cabs with dual JBL's in them (from the Wall of Sound when it was parted out.)

More on all that in the interview at www.Buddycage.net

and yeah, garcia started using them too.

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[This message was edited by JB Arnold on 07 September 2004 at 07:37 PM.]

I know. I was there when they recorded it in '75.

Or did I permanently alter those brain cells?

[This message was edited by Russ Young on 07 September 2004 at 08:47 PM.]

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The steel player was more skilled than Jerry (Paul Fanklin, I think) but IMO, it's just doesn't grab me like original.

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But Jerry did it first....

I think another song that helped define the PSG for the broader public was the simple little lick in the chorus of Tammy Wynette's "Stand By Your Man". That song helped to define steel for me, even before TYC came along.

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[This message was edited by Bill Llewellyn on 08 September 2004 at 07:54 AM.]

Pig In A Pen (Traditional)
Midnight Moonlight (Peter Rowan)
Old And In The Way (David Grisman)
Knockin' On Your Door (Traditional)
The Hobo Song (Jack Bonus)
Panama Red (Peter Rowan)
Wild Horses (Mick Jagger / Keith Richard)
Kissimee Kid (Vassar Clements)
White Dove (Carter Stanley)
Land Of The Navajo (Peter Rowan)

I remember they did a bunch more songs, but twenty years ago I might have remembered what they were..

They did several shows that ran through from 74 to 77(?) in other places and other "Old and In the Way" records too. The one on this album was live there in 75.

It was great. 30 years has passed by in a blink...

Now, gold has turned to gray, and youth....

EJL

[This message was edited by Eric West on 07 September 2004 at 09:51 PM.]

Isn't it strange that Jerry Garcia is judged to have had more talent than Randy Beavers, because of this one record he was on? I'm sure some people reading this now will also feel this way. Such a shame that the steel players true talent is judged by the size of the record that he was lucky enough to be on.

I think those Garcia phreaks among us just think he gets raked over the coals for the sin of being more famous than some other folks.
JB

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Except when judged by their peers, the "Greatness" (is that a word?) of musicians and other performers is determined not by their actual ability but by how they are "perceived" by the public who they serve!

How many times have we heard the comment that someone else may have done it better....but he (or she) did it first!

......and how many times have we heard the comment, (or made it ourselves), about the "unknowns" we know who have ability "above and beyond" the "stars" who have been "recognized".

It was not always so, but in my old age I have come to believe that those known as "one hit wonders", and those perceived by their peers as not being adequately talented or qualified enough to be accepted by their peers....are legitimate members of the "club"!

They all had dreams, and in diverse ways achieved a place in the entertainment world. May God bless 'em all!

Steinar

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Did anyone say Johnny Farina is more talented than Randy? No. Same for Jerry.

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Dave