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Topic: New Zirconia Bars
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John Walden
Member From: Camarillo, California, USA
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posted 03 August 2006 06:57 PM
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I'll take lucky " 13 " please. 10 stringer, 15/16ths.------------------
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Sonny Jenkins
Member From: New Braunfels, Tx. 78130
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posted 03 August 2006 08:03 PM
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Put me down for at least one 15/16",,,,12 string |
Bill Stroud
Member From: Dresden, Tennessee, USA
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posted 03 August 2006 08:09 PM
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Bill Stafford contact me and let me look at this venture........
No promises, but I might be interested in making them.
Bill |
Calvin Walley
Member From: colorado city colorado, USA
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posted 03 August 2006 08:30 PM
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lord only knows i'm no expert BUT
the greats of yesteryear didn't have bars made from some fancy alloy, seems to me they used good old steel bars and if that was good enough for them, its good enough for me...it just sounds like a lot of folks are looking for some kinda gimmick to make them sound better, i think i'll just try harder myself------------------
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 03 August 2006 11:26 PM
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b0b,
I've noticed no tone change on my LDG between Eds bar and the BJS. ...
All I can say is 1) you need a better amp, or 2) you need to clean the wax out of your ears.
I hear a big difference in tone between the BJS and Zirconia. The BJS has more highs - no doubt about it. Zirconia is darker sounding. Both of them sustain like nobody's business, and both are virtually indestructable. I use them both a lot.------------------
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George Mc Lellan
Member From: Duluth, MN USA
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posted 04 August 2006 05:21 AM
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I sold my Zirc only because I prefer the 15/16's and mine was 7/8's. If they become available again, I would order one - and I don't care what the production # on the end of the bar is.Geo |
Colm Chomicky
Member From: Prairie Village, Kansas, USA
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posted 04 August 2006 12:00 PM
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I have heard about these bars but have never seen. Is it an steel alloy with zirconium or is this a zirconium-based ceramic material ? My understanding is pure zirconium metal is not very hard (similar to copper in scratch resistance) |
Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 04 August 2006 01:59 PM
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The bars are milk white. Here is a picture of me playing with one. This picture was taken 4 years and 60 pounds ago.
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Randy Beavers
Member From: Lebanon,TN 37090
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posted 04 August 2006 04:20 PM
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I would love to have one in a boring standard 7/8ths 10 string size. |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 04 August 2006 04:31 PM
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CC...The material is a Zirconia ceramic. Zirconium is the metal, Zirconia is the ceramic.There are several types of Zirconia based ceramics. Do a Google search for details. |
Colm Chomicky
Member From: Prairie Village, Kansas, USA
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posted 04 August 2006 04:41 PM
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Mike, thanks for the posting the photo. White --therefore based on your photo and what I have seen posted these bars are made of zirconium oxide. A tough material and when smooth has a low friction.PS thanks Ed, saw your post after I posted here.[This message was edited by Colm Chomicky on 04 August 2006 at 04:48 PM.] |
Huey P. Moore
Member From: Woodworth, Louisiana, USA
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posted 04 August 2006 08:04 PM
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I will take one of those bars so count me in also Huey Moore------------------
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ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 05 August 2006 06:55 AM
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CC...you are welcome...right, Ziconium oxide with additives of various types for various functions and colors. I tried to get black material also, but no go.The smoothness, by Zygo measurement, was many times smoother than the "best" metal bars. That smoothness seems to make the bar stick to your hands where the metal bars tend to slip out. |
Albert Svenddal
Member From: Brentwood, TN
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posted 06 August 2006 08:42 PM
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I have noticed that my zirco bar ( #001 , Sorry Joey) has better grip and glides over the strings better but has a slightly darker tone and a little less sustain. I would oder another one though. Albert------------------
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ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 07 August 2006 07:08 AM
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Hey Ole...how's the ice fishing?
I can't remember where you first saw the Zirc bar...was it at Doug Rolfes Gospel show? |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 07 August 2006 09:57 AM
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Hey Ed, could you post those electron microscope pictures that compare the zirc bar with a steel bar? |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 07 August 2006 11:18 AM
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B0b...I'll see if I can find them...that was a long time ago. |
Steve Hitsman
Member From: Waterloo, IL
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posted 07 August 2006 11:24 AM
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I want one. Isn't there enough demand for somebody to make 'em? |
Steve Hitsman
Member From: Waterloo, IL
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posted 07 August 2006 11:25 AM
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I want one. Isn't there enough demand for somebody to make 'em?Is there an echo in here?[This message was edited by Steve Hitsman on 07 August 2006 at 11:26 AM.] |
Tim Bridges
Member From: Hoover, Alabama, USA
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posted 07 August 2006 11:26 AM
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I want a 7/8 for a 10 string and a 12 string. What is the ship date? I'll take numbers 1 & 2; 1 for the 10 string and 2 for the 12 string. |
b0b
Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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posted 07 August 2006 11:34 AM
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Nobody's making them, Tim. There is no ship date. |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 07 August 2006 01:25 PM
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b0b et al. I found the Zygo interferometry printouts and have put them up on PHOTOBUCKET.
http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i287/edpackard/How%20to/?sc=6 If folks think that the Tone Sustain graphs are abstract, wait till they look at these. The Zirc bar was either mine, or Bill Stafford's...can't remember, but they had been used for a while. The Metal with chrome bar was a BJS (mine)...seldom used. Notice that on the "oblique view" charts, that the Metal is scaled about 4 times the Zirc (3.8 uin for the Zirc to 15.uin for the Metal. |
tom anderson
Member From: leawood, ks., usa
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posted 07 August 2006 03:56 PM
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I have switched to glass bars because of the weight which are fantastic, but would love to have a Zirconia Bar. Put me down. I looked into producing them & it was going to be more than $100.00 per bar & was more work than I could take on, but there are people out there who would do it. I'll invest if someone wants to go to the trouble. |
John Neff
Member From: Athens, GA
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posted 07 August 2006 09:04 PM
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I'll take one too.JN |
Bob Hoffnar
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 07 August 2006 10:35 PM
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If John Neff wants one that is good enough for me ! If somebody is going to make them put me on the list.------------------
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David Mason
Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA
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posted 08 August 2006 03:38 AM
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Since no one's actually making them and both the people who used to make them said they're not going to, I guess I'll order one too... Brooke Burke can deliver it in a helium balloon, wrapped in lace....  |
Charlie McDonald
Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA
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posted 08 August 2006 05:01 AM
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Brooke wrapped in lace, or the bar? |
David Mason
Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA
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posted 08 August 2006 05:35 AM
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Wrap the balloon in the lace, and let Brooke, and the bar, come as they were born....  |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 08 August 2006 08:58 AM
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Bill Stroud, are you going to make them, or not? I bet you sell all you can make. Looks like you have a lot of requests. |
Joe McHam
Member From: Houston, TX, USA
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posted 08 August 2006 09:45 AM
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I'd like to have one.. Tried stealing Bill Staffords, but he had airport security search me before I boarded the plane back to Houston. Just kidding Bill.. ------------------
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Scott Swartz
Member From: St. Louis, MO
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posted 08 August 2006 10:57 AM
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I would like to reiterate my desire purchase one (I posted back on page 2, back a couple years). Prefer 10 string, 1 inch, but 7/8 would work. |
Albert Svenddal
Member From: Brentwood, TN
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posted 08 August 2006 03:10 PM
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Ed, Thanks for remembering me. I first saw the Zirc bar at Scotty,s when Bill Stafford was first using it. It is the best bar for fast playing and has great tone. It does lack a little of the bright edge though. And I see several great players using them. Blessings, Albert Svenddal------------------
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Bill Stroud
Member From: Dresden, Tennessee, USA
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posted 09 August 2006 07:49 AM
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Hi Curt Langston,
Bill Stafford or Ed Packard have not given the go ahead and I've not got any contacts from them. I would never go in front of someone else project, that was theirs.
If they are not going to make them and let me know, I will look into it and try my best to get some done. |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 09 August 2006 08:26 AM
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Bill S...Some time back I stated on the Forum, that if anyone wanted to make the Zirc bars, either Bill or I would provide info.I have had several contacts, but $$$ to make seemed to be a problem. |
Bill Stroud
Member From: Dresden, Tennessee, USA
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posted 09 August 2006 02:33 PM
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Hi Ed,
I appreciate your email, sorry you can't make Scotty's.
I'll try and get in contact with Bill and we will talk about me making taking on the new venture at the convention.
If all goes well, I will look into doing this project. But I know up front it's not easy.
Thanks again Ed & Bill
Bill |
Jim Ives
Member From: Los Angeles, California, USA
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posted 11 August 2006 10:39 AM
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This is getting ridiculous. This subject comes up about once or twice a year, and it isd always the same story. These bars should just be made already. It is not like they will go bad or spoil, and sooner or later (probably sooner) they will all get sold and a profit will be made. Everybody who knows about them wants at least one, so just do it already. Jim |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 11 August 2006 11:22 AM
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Jim I...So maybe you want to do it? Then you can lose money on the venture this time. |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 11 August 2006 11:35 AM
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Well Ed, heres a post from Rick A.
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Last year I looked into it myself ...
I contacted an Engineering Ceramics company ... And drew up a bullet bar ... Jerry Byrd size (2 3/4" x 3/4") with a thumb indent on the rear end. I talked with the engineer several times ... explaining what these were, etc I received a quote ... Minimum 100 units @ $55 per unit. 250 units @ $45 per unit. I was excited about it ... but my wife wasn't. The quote is expired now ... but if anyone wants to look into it ... these folks know what steel guitar bars are now ...
Surely the price would not have gone up THAT much more. If it went up 5.00 a bar, you would still be able to sell all you made. Probably more of a hassle than a financial issue.[This message was edited by Curt Langston on 11 August 2006 at 11:39 AM.] |
ed packard
Member From: Show Low AZ
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posted 11 August 2006 01:17 PM
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Curt...first off that is an "itty bitty" bar size. Second off, I have my doubts about the validity of the quote as break even for those making it. Sounds more like a quote based upon working aluminum oxide material.The raw blanks cost more than $50.00 before even applying the finishing process materials and time. Maybe you should try your hand at it? |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 11 August 2006 04:47 PM
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I have my doubts about the validity of the quote as break even for those making it. Sounds more like a quote based upon working aluminum oxide material.
Ed ... That was the real deal ... for zirconium oxide. I spent a few hours with the engineers there ... describing exactly what these bars were for ... recessed butt end ... etc. These JB bars would be light ... but I wasn't interested in anything bigger ... being an ardent JB "slant man" ...  The reason I did't go thru with it ... was that $5K brought on a serious "stink eye" from the wife. I emailed Jim P. this quote when he first opened up his store ... to see if he was interested ... and said he'd talk to you about it. ------------------
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[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 August 2006 at 04:53 PM.]
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