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Topic: Do All Emmon's Push Pull have "that sound?"
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 13 March 2005 12:03 PM
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Mr. Franklin, thank you for your candid and enlightening comments. We relish your participation here.  I'm just kind of a "flunkie" at this steel guitar stuff. I ain't great, and I ain't famous. Probably never will be. Nonetheless, I've found the same thing (brand loyalties) in most every field where you're buying something to do something. Cars, tools, knives, golf clubs, you name it. There's always someone who's a proponent of something and believes that it's the quickest route to success. Obviously, opinions of a "nobody" like me will not sway any accomplished, experienced musician. They have been around long enough to know exactly what they want, and they base their decisions on experience, and personal knowledge, not on fad or anyone else's fancy. I usually respond to these these topics that center around "what you need", or "you gotta have this", for the benefit of the new or inexperienced players. They are the ones who might just believe there's "magic" in a _________ (fill in your own favorite product), or that there's some quick route to a great sound. There isn't. If you don't have the years of experience under your belt, no piece of equipment made is going to make up for your lack of style, finesse, or know how. I wish that wasn't so. I wish there was something that any of us could just buy, use, and be guaranteed a better sound. But there isn't.  |
Ernest Cawby
Member From: Lake City, Florida, USA
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posted 26 March 2006 05:51 AM
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Nan my wife has a good ear for sound better than I have, I bought a different guitar than a Sho-bud a while back, the guitar was beautiful not a mark on, show room.The first note I played on it she did not like the sound, she said it does not sound like you, it sounds bad.
I have played the same D10 Professional for 30 years, I have never played another guitar she likes the sound of. So i had to trade the axe off for a sho-bud Pro 1 and she is now a happy camper with it.
I love my buds, but I played Nick Reeds single 10 PP and got hooked!
Someday I've got to own one myelf. Bobbe I'll come see you when that day comes,
I can not say which guitar is better or best from the rest, but I love all the sounds I have heard from my heroes playing steel guitar. Russ you would sound great on any guitar, John,JImmy Powel,LLoyd, I love them all.
At the next show Clinton Opry I go to I will close my eyes and try to tell the sound I hear, from what brand guitar and record the show, then listen to each player and try to tell what guitar I hear from the sound of it.
Randy Beavers a while back asked who could tell what guitar he was playing. I think most of us could not tell the difference
I think he was playing a Zum and a PP.ernie [This message was edited by Ernest Cawby on 02 April 2006 at 07:59 AM.] |
Mickey Lawson
Member From: Cleveland, Tennessee, USA
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posted 26 March 2006 06:35 AM
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Emmons p/p sound better because they use shock absorber springs on the pull-rods. Smooth start and finish, on the tone changes. |
Nick Reed
Member From: Springfield, TN
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posted 26 March 2006 09:14 AM
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Yeah, I didn't think Ernie was gonna let me take my little S-10 home. . .ha ha ha!
I know P/P's are NOT for everybody, but I've played em so long, I just don't like anything else. Here's my two D-10's!  of course, the black one sounds the best But don't they always![This message was edited by Nick Reed on 02 April 2006 at 08:03 AM.] |
Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 26 March 2006 04:49 PM
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Lots of views and opinions here. Here's mine. I believe each Psg has a personality. It's up to the player to bring it out in each guitar. I like all brands of guitars, as well as all players. I'm a Carter and a p/p owner/player. Both are great guitars but different. I'd be just as happy playing a MSA,Franklin,Zumsteel or whatever. I don't care as long it stays in tune and gives me what I'm looking for. If the right player comes along with the right amount of money then they can buy what I'm playing and I'll replace it with another one. I believe all of the modern guitars are equal as are the older p/p's, if there adjusted correctly and cared for. By the way PF, you sounded great at the Texas steel show! And, BS, thanks for the E66's. The 78' p/p sounds really good with them! |
James Lombard
Member From: Wisconsin, USA
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posted 26 March 2006 11:14 PM
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I own two P/P's, one,a'76 Rosewood mica D-12 8x5 that I bought new, and an early 80's Black mica D-10, 10x10 built by Jimmie Crawford, which I bought from the original owner. The D-12 has always had a terrific sound, but the D-10 cuts it right off at the knees.(no pun intended)It has the most even timbre across the strings from high to low of ANY guitar I've heard. The pickups are wound to 20k on both necks, and it delivers "that" sound. There is a difference, at least between my two guitars. I don't believe the color has anything to do with it, but something is lacking in the twelve that the ten has in spades. |
Brett Cookingham
Member From: Sherman Oaks CA
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posted 22 December 2006 04:31 PM
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Looking back on this post, now that I have a couple of Push Pulls, all I can say is that I nolonger need to use a tuner to be in tune! and I'm actually in tune now. Before, withe tha All Pull, I was always tinkering with the tuner and could never get it to sweeten up. Push Pulls are easy and just plain SWEET !!!
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Mike Shefrin
Member From: New York
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posted 23 December 2006 05:50 PM
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I have a black Emmons Lashley LeGrande built in the 90's. It sounds like a pedal steel guitar. (Sorry for the joke, I actually enjoyed this thread alot) [This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 24 December 2006 at 09:08 PM.] |
Marlin Smoot
Member From: Atlanta,Georgia, USA
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posted 24 December 2006 02:05 AM
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Funny...Paul Franklin said he would like to have back each of the guitars he had let go...Emmons, Bud's, MSA...and I wish I could have a Franklin psg. I thought my 1974 D-10 Emmons PP sounded really good until I got my 1978 S-10 Emmons PP...the smaller guitar (to me) sounds better, it also has alum neck. It has more depth and a much better tone than my D-10. The S-10 tends to have a glassey high end, mid-range bell like tone and a very clean low end that really cuts through and it's like this no mater what amp I play with it including; a PV Session 400, Nashville 400, Evans and a Fender Twin. Does it have "that sound" I don't know...maybe if Buddy Emmons played it a couple of minutes he could tell me? |
Willis Vanderberg
Member From: Bradenton, FL, USA
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posted 24 December 2006 06:31 PM
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I just had a 68 D-10 Satin Rosewood Emmons fall into my hands. The C-6th neck still had the original strings on it. the front neck has been played some, not a lot. the guitar is so smooth to play and the sound is incredible. The knees are all wrong for me but it is, as it was ordered at the factory.
I will get it straightened out soon and it will be my main gourd. I have a 95 Mullen D-10 that sounds awesome to me.
I also have A D-10 MCI that was BE'S and it has Lawrence 705's on it and you can almost hear the bells in that one too.
This is my fifth P/P and they were all good but this one is great. I always play thru a Evans SE 200, A DD/3 delay , Black Box and Hilton pedal. Works for me... Old Bud. Old Bud |
Gordon Sharp
Member From: Kingston, Tennessee
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posted 25 December 2006 11:41 AM
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I guess I will be the ruination of p.p when I get my 67pp back from B.Seymor,whether it be black,blue,brown,sorry all you p.p players. Gordon Sharp once a hacker allways a hacker.Kingston,Tenn. |
C. Christofferson
Member From: Utah, USA
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posted 26 December 2006 02:20 PM
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Im still looking foreward to my first pro model, and after taking in lots of great feedback, i feel to be leaning just slightly toward the 'psychological satisfaction' that a push/pull would bring. But...(and sorry if this has been answered) as far as customizing your copedent changes, and other mechanical maintenance goes, is a push/pull going to be more of a problem than an all/pull ? Thx |
Skip Edwards
Member From: LA,CA
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posted 26 December 2006 05:15 PM
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If you change your setup alot then, yes... it would be more of a hassle. If you don't, then, no... a well set-up and adjusted p/p shouldn't be any more trouble than an all-pull. |
Gary Walker
Member From: Morro Bay, CA
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posted 27 December 2006 05:56 PM
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When Jim put Tommy Whites P/P for sale on the Forum, I responded post haste and made the buy. Jim delivered it to Phoenix on one of his business trips. I met him at Skyharbor and took delivery of that world renown E9 video Black Beauty. I was anticipating taking a playing gig and decided this had the sound, the look and what it needed to make me look and sound like I could carry the mail.
Alas, I decided not to take the job and it sits in our spare bedroom, looking lonesome. My regular ax is a D-11 and need that extra string for my C6 playing, which I couldn't do without. Someday, someone may talk me out of Tommy's used goods. | |
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