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Topic: Look out for "Fake" Nashville LTD Steels.
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 11 December 2004 05:31 PM
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If a steel guitar were to be built using the brand name, "FAKE", would it be a Fake? Sure, but what if someone built a fake "FAKE"? Would it be a Fake? Sure, it would be a "Double Fake"! Then what if someone else built a guitar with the brand name "Double FAKE", Would it be a double fake, or just a Single fake faked twice? Is it possible to build a single neck "Double Fake", or a double neck "Single Fake"??????
I think Ed should build all his guitars as fakes, then anyone building fakes would actually be building real ones! Correct?
The moral of this exercise is just what everyone has already determined, it doesn't matter and who cares! I think this may be one case where the "Fake" would be the desired comodity to have in one's posession.
Howard, how do you feel about this logic? bobbe
Ltd Fake,
Peavey 112 fake
Fake Hilton pedal
"FAKE" D-10
Double"FAKE" single 10
Secretary with fake------>, never mind |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 11 December 2004 05:36 PM
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Sorry ED, not to have fun at your expense, but I don't see where you are losing any money on this, as a matter of fact, because of this, you may get lucky and get some orders for some new "Fakes". You lucky guy!
Just don't take any "Fake" checks.
If someone writes a check for a "Fake", wouldn't it be a "Fake check"? (and so on, forever) |
Jack Henderson
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posted 11 December 2004 05:48 PM
Smiley face on my mind,Don't think so Bobbe |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 11 December 2004 05:58 PM
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Donny, I like "Royal Fasbinder!" That one put a "Smiley Face" on me! But I don't think I'd want a "Fake Royal Fasbinder".
bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 11 December 2004 at 06:18 PM.]
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Jack Henderson
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posted 11 December 2004 06:03 PM
Kind of like royal has beens |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 11 December 2004 06:10 PM
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Or kinda like Royal never weres? |
Peter
Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 11 December 2004 10:41 PM
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Bobbe, you're cracking me up!
Brilliant!  |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 12 December 2004 09:56 AM
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Jack, I put posted the smiley face because Ed said that he has a "Howard" steel guitar(they exist). I thought that was humorous and I appreciate that Ed took my humor in stride. I didn't feel anything needed to be said (I actually couldn't think of a joke), hence the smiley. And that's it.If I have something to say or a point I want to make, I'll say it.....in a nice way. |
Jack Henderson
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posted 12 December 2004 10:00 AM
Thanks Howard,I was just giving you a hard time in fun,Jack[This message was edited by Jack Henderson on 12 December 2004 at 10:04 AM.] |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 12 December 2004 10:34 AM
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AS I said- I bought LTD in July 93.I never sold any to a dealer after that date that I can recall. I never used 'ROUND" cross shafts- All the guitars that I built had fretboards with a colored "DIAMOND TYPE" markers.If anyone bought a LTD from a dealer after that date I would like to know. There was probably 3-4 still at dealers on the date I bought the business. ED |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 12 December 2004 10:52 AM
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Got me to thinking,I tore one of my guitars apart,and copied the puller fingers!I sure wouldn't tell the name of the guitar!might put me in jail like Martha Stewart!Well i built mine out of stainless,so think mine are different!don't think i had a name on the guitar!man i hope i didn't????? farris |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 12 December 2004 11:37 AM
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Farris- You are talking about something that is covered as a mechanical part that may be patented.A few years ago I started to build a Student guitar and used the name "STERLING" I was contacted by Ernie Ball that they owned that name. I stopped immediately using the name and started using "SHAWNEE". By the way-the first'Changer" patent was issued in 1936 to a person named BLAIR.ED |
William Griffith
Member From: Loxahatchee, FL, USA
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posted 12 December 2004 12:44 PM
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Hello Everyone, I have a Nashville LTD, Starfire and the serial # NS1 04-9-87. It has round cross shafts. Its a SD10 and I really like the sound and it stays in tune and plays well for the pedals it has, they were changed by someone before me they';er sloppy because of the metal pedal pin and alum. bracket wish I had the originals. Even the Nashville decal is different than the one in the photo posted. Bill |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 12 December 2004 01:15 PM
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William-I never heard of a "STARFIRE" LTD.This could possibly be a very early built guitar . I would like to know more about it. Especially the "LOGO" decal. This subject gets more interesting with each new post.ED |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 12 December 2004 01:36 PM
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My old steel guitar teacher built about 1000 6string lap steels,name was telestar,then one day phone co.came told him he had to stop using that name it belonged to the phone co.so he change to star after that.it was funny,he had the fret boards printed on thick paper at printing office,then covered them with plexaglass,they were pretty!i built farm equipment,hedging mach.for orange trees ect.,farmer brought me one built in calf.and asked me to build some,so i built every piece of them for 10 machines!Dam,i may be jail bait and don't even know it!!sure wish i had wiped my finger prints off that guitar!!ha ha,yep,oh well i can build anything i want to for myself! then sell it used later,no problem!!I might even build me a Nashville L T D,then trade it to Bobbe!!huh,,,,, farris |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 12 December 2004 01:47 PM
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Ed, Do you think that here are more fake ltds than real ones. How many have you built since you bought the company. How many fake ones are out there? |
Steve Dodson
Member From: Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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posted 12 December 2004 02:09 PM
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William,
The LTD you have was built when Gary Rittenberry owned the company before he sold it to Ed. Gary decided he wanted to add something to the name of his SD-10 guitar, so he went with the name Starfire. Sho-Bud had the LDG, Emmons had the Loafer.Hope this helps.
Steve |
William Griffith
Member From: Loxahatchee, FL, USA
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posted 12 December 2004 02:12 PM
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Ed,The numbers in my first post are stamped in the end plate. Forgot to mention that the fret board is a Marlen. I';ll answer any questions you about the guitar. Maybe this a Fake also or a mix match. Bill |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 12 December 2004 04:28 PM
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I remember a Peavey amp around '77, pretty sure it was called an Artist LTD. Was a good-sounding amp too...and it seems Peavey also has a very popular steel amp with the name Nashville... guess the lawyers are going to be busy... |
William Peters
Member From: Effort, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 13 December 2004 05:27 AM
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quote:
I remember a Peavey amp around '77, pretty sure it was called an Artist LTD. Was a good-sounding amp too...and it seems Peavey also has a very popular steel amp with the name Nashville... guess the lawyers are going to be busy...
I had a lengthy conversation with my lawyer about this one time in regards to a product I was making. He told me that as long as my product couldn't possibly be confused with another product of the same name, I was not in any violation of trademark law. So, If I built a tv set and called it a Nashville, it would not be in conflict with a steel guitar amplifier, as an amplifier would not be confused with a tv set. I never got sued (for that), so he was probably right. So, just as Ford marketed an automobile called a "Crown Victoria", a steel guitar called a "Crown Victoria" would not be a conflict with Ford. However, if Chevy came out with a "Crown Victoria", that would be a horse of a different color. ------------------
Bill
http://www.wgpeters.com
Mullen RP SD12U, ART-SLA, Tubefex, Vamp-Pro[This message was edited by William Peters on 13 December 2004 at 05:28 AM.] |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 13 December 2004 06:07 AM
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Since I had all the original LTD Parts,Dies,fretboards etc in my possession, and all LTD's that were sold after May 1994 were built and sold only by me. There is a possibility Larry Self may have still had one in his store. The serial # is a big help. So if you bought a "NEW" LTD after that date from anyone other than me it is a "FAKE" Ed |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 13 December 2004 10:22 AM
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Ed How many Nashville LTD'S have you built in the past 10 years from 1994 to 2004? |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 13 December 2004 03:14 PM
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Mr Henry- I assume the "REAL LTD guitars. I built them all including the bodies. I don't farm out any of the assembly or anything else.ED |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 13 December 2004 05:32 PM
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Thanks William for the info on model-name legalities. Actually my remark on busy lawyers was tongue-in-cheek, but your info is interesting and appreciated.Ed, tbhenry has asked twice about how many LTD's you've built and your answer "them all" is strangely vague...granted you don't have to answer anything you don't want to, but it's curious that you refuse to answer...is there some reason we can't know how many you built? Is that classified information? |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 13 December 2004 05:46 PM
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Hey Ed, is this one "real" or "fake"?
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John Drury
Member From: Gallatin, Tn USA
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posted 13 December 2004 06:39 PM
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When the news about this gets out it will be a real sonofabitch talking all the Nashville LTD collectors down off the ledges.JMO John Drury
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 13 December 2004 07:20 PM
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ED,how much waiting time on a new Nashville LTD??are the legs like the ones on the picture b0b shows? What kind of table legs are those?? What kind of prices would a man be looking at!!Please Post on here for us!
farris |
Dan Tyack
Member From: Seattle, WA USA
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posted 14 December 2004 06:27 AM
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I read somewhere that all those plays weren't written by William Shakespeare, but by somebody else with that name.------------------
www.tyack.com
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 14 December 2004 06:29 AM
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b0b-I have people all the time wanting to get into Steel. Most don't have or don't want to spend lots of money.I have tons of new and used parts and sell lots of "KITS" for the do it yourselfer.The guitar in foto doesen't show a logo.And it was sold without one. Most likely the person selling it was told it was an LTD because I sold the guitar. I would be glad to research this.Who bought this originally?ED |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 14 December 2004 06:39 AM
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Farris- The legs on the guitar in foto are BLACK mic stands.I buy them in quanity in chrome and sometimes they have BLACK ones because I have many people needing to replace old legs.All the old SHO-BUDS used ATLAS mike stands I use the Black legs on my SHAWNEE model.This cuts cost and I can have ADJUSTABLE legs.AS to delivery time. It all depends on what do you want. ED |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 06:44 AM
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ED,what kind of pullers does LTD use?how many raises and lowers?could a person buy just one?i'd like to have a pattern to go by!waiting to hear if i can buy one,sure hope they are not to expensive!!need one badly!!!!! farris |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 14 December 2004 06:56 AM
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Farris- The changer fingers are triple raise and triple lower. I am curious why you would want to only buy I finger.Do you have an LTD with a broken finger or are wanting one to copy it???If you are wanting to produce these parts be prepared to spend $8000-10,000 for the dies.Ed |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 07:31 AM
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Thanks ED, but i am a tool and die maker!! |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 07:41 AM
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I'd have a hard time forgetting a piece of wood like that, Ed. But that's just me.If you sold it as a kit without a logo, and is now being sold as a Nashville LTD, does that mean it's a "fake"? |
Bill Crook
Member From: Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
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posted 14 December 2004 07:52 AM
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If it plays and looks "GOOD"....... What difference dose it make if it's a knock-off"  ------------------
http://home.comcast.net/~crookwf/ http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/crookwf/my_photos |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 14 December 2004 09:43 AM
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b0b-The person that has it for sale I am sure never purchased it from me. It also was not a SHAWNEE. This is an example how things get wrong.People with $3-400 want a steel. I tell them I can put together a "WORKABLE" steel so they can learn where the pedals etc are, but ,to save their money and something will come along. In the meantime they can learn where the Steering Wheel, Gas pedal etc are located.Many of these people now play, Zum,Mullen etc.ED |
Brian Donegan
Member From: Red Bank, New Jersey, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 11:30 AM
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Why do a good deal of the replies seem a little angry. There seems to be an "axe to grind" here. It seems to me Ed is just protecting a name he purchased, it should not matter how many steels he makes a year, if he owns the name its his right to make zero a year or 10,000.Why is the default emotion always anger. Brian |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 12:51 PM
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Brian,no anger here!!never even seen one before!! interested!!might be the Nashville Sound we hear,and no one doesn't want us to know!!just trying to find out!!!!!! farris |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 14 December 2004 01:33 PM
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This has to be the most hilarious thread I've seen in months. I'm getting emails and phone calls from all over the world on this one. Most guys are just afraid to post what they are really thinking, and for good reason!
Yes sir, keep watching my website, I have a new "FAKE" D-10 8-5 coming in on trade and with all this publicity, the value should be up somewhere around a hundred dollars.
It comes with it's own "Fake book". Anger here? I see no anger here, just a lot of humor, I mean a LOT of humor! [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 14 December 2004 at 01:47 PM.] |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 14 December 2004 02:07 PM
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i agree with you here Bobbe.I think that even Ed must agree here that there is some humor in this topic.
And a couple of Hundred for a FAKE Steel????
SOLD!!!!!!!And while we're at it.Have you looked through your storage to see if you still have those FAKE Fretboards I asked you about? Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
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