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Topic: Look out for "Fake" Nashville LTD Steels.
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 02:42 PM
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Boys,i think today might be my lucky day!i been digging around in the shop,and dang behind the lath,i pulled out this old guitar with no name or numbers on it.i really believe i have found a true FAKE!way i see it the price will be going up just like gas.why,who knows,tomorrow this thing could be gold!if i could just find me some of those table legs!!mine are bent,mabe i used them for a pry bar or something?can't wait to get her cleaned up,just could be the real FAKE!now if i just had a FAKE book to go with it!!really got me to thinking,as i look around this old shop,seems to be lots of fake around here,hell i even went and checked my old Ford truck,afraid it might be FAKE too.Now i want to check on BOBBES webb site!!I just don't believe he has anything FAKE on there!!!! farris |
Ted Nesbitt
Member From: Northern Ireland
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posted 14 December 2004 02:46 PM
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To Whom It May Concern.......I was the guy who imported the so-called "Fake" Nashville LTD guitar from USA to Ireland. When the guitar arrived I was really pleased with my purchase. It is a very nice,and well built instrument. Modern pedals (like Emmons)metal neck,Wallace pick-up, yes,this is a nice guitar. I sold it to a good friend in England,who contacted Ed Naylor looking for some parts to do a mod on the guitar,thats when "The Fake Nashville LTD" story broke out
Bottom line.....To me it was a nice instrument,AND,it was the first Nashville LTD I had ever seen.
Your comments please.
Ted Nesbitt..Rainbow Music Ireland |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 14 December 2004 04:19 PM
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I think there are a few "Flakes" on this thread, and they don't necessarily come from Nashville...  me included |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 14 December 2004 04:22 PM
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And what about "Fake Flakes"?Comments? Post #27. |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 14 December 2004 04:44 PM
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Ted- THere is no doubt in my mind but what this guitar plays and sounds good.THe issue is that someone used my logo and name that I spent thousands of dollars and lots of legal action to solve. I am 99% sure who built and was party to the sale of this instrument.This is AMERICA, you are free to build guitars. Also as an AMERICAN I feel I should be protected from someone stealing from me even a Name or LOGO.ED |
rpetersen
Member From: Tipton, Iowa
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posted 14 December 2004 05:09 PM
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I'm thinkin' that the one Bobbe will have for sale is another one owned by Buddy!!!!------------------
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 05:16 PM
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Hey Ed, is your "Nashville LTD" trademark valid in Ireland? If the fake logo was added in Ireland, you may not have a legal leg to stand on. |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 14 December 2004 05:33 PM
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b0b- Honestly I don't know.All I know is that it was purchased here in the States. If you bought a "FORD "from the States and it arrived with a "CHEVY" engine would you feel "Ripped Off"?I would say you would be dissapointed because you thought you were buying a Ford.It all goes back to customer getting what they thought they were buying.ED |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 14 December 2004 05:50 PM
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Ed!! How many Nashville LTD's have you made since 1994 - 2004 ?????????? |
Lee Baucum
Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier
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posted 14 December 2004 07:54 PM
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Hmm. I wonder just how many Nashville LTD's Ed has built since 1994. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 14 December 2004 11:28 PM
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If you bought a "FORD "from the States and it arrived with a "CHEVY" engine would you feel "Ripped Off"?
I sure would!  I've heard of Nashville LTDs were built with parts from a variety of different brands of guitars. They must be the "fakes" that you're talking about, right?
Is there any particular part that's unique to the Nashville LTD, that we can point to to spot a "fake"? What do the Nashville LTD fretboards look like, for example? (I've never seen a real Nashville LTD, so humor me a bit here, please?) |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:26 AM
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Humm!WOW,now they doing something right!!we've done that for years in our roadsters,man them 327s hey they got it!!look at those hot rod books mabe the FAKE got it tooooooooooooo farris |
Peter
Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 15 December 2004 03:43 AM
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Bobby, these parts were holding some of the cross shafts in my Remington U12.
Ed claimed they come from him and he uses these in HIS guitars.
They have one uniform height only, so if you use these in a double neck guitar with two tiered levels, the cross shafts will be scue and not parallel to the guitar surface.
As soon as I took them out of my Remington, the guitar became playable again.
Maybe Ed can confirm that these are unique for his LTD's.
I hope Farris doesn't see this! [This message was edited by Peter on 15 December 2004 at 04:00 AM.] |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:57 AM
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WOW,PETER,if those things just had needle bearings in them!!i could use them on my old International tractor!!!
farris |
Peter
Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 15 December 2004 04:14 AM
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If you bought a "FORD "from the States and it arrived with a "CHEVY" engine would you feel "Ripped Off"?
The above comparison is not the same as the situation here. It should read: If you bought a "FORD" from the States and they sent you a "VeryExpensiveCar" with a "Ford" decal on it, you would be very pleased. And you would not mind that all the Ford people are shouting: "Fake! Fake! We want to protect our name!".
You're still driving a "VeryExpensiveCar"! [This message was edited by Peter on 15 December 2004 at 04:57 AM.]
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HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 15 December 2004 05:16 AM
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I had a similar experience. I went out with this gal last weekend and soon found out that a couple of things about her were fake! I was so mad....I almost threw her out!  [This message was edited by HowardR on 15 December 2004 at 09:49 AM.] |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 15 December 2004 05:29 AM
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Hey Premod what you doin' w: fake tomatoes man ?
did she pick you up at Matt Umanov's place ?
this thread has gone too far & i still don't know just how many LTDs were made by Ed or anyone else for that matter
Ted Nesbitt is A-OK in my book & he don't do no wrong
[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 15 December 2004 at 05:36 AM.]
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 05:56 AM
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b0b-I use 2types changer fingers and I own and have the dies in on my property.The Knee levers I use are my property and in my possession. The Nylon Tuners, Springs,and several other items are items that are only available thru me.Most are custom made to my specs.The fretboards are also designs I own.I do sell the knee levers and some springs to the do-it -your selfer.There are more things I would only discuss with you privately. ED |
Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 15 December 2004 05:59 AM
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Here we go again,the clowns are back ,i thought this topic was about the Nashville LTD, not about cars and now women,i am the guy who bought the guitar in good faith, and it is a very nice guitar,maybe not a N/LTD, more like an Emmons ,OOP`S what have i said?, because this forum is turning into a joke.it seems that there is a group of people who cant wait to take the p#'s out of any one stands up for them selves as is with ED Naylor, and try to make them out to be the bad guy.Sorry bOb but this happened to me in one of my posts and some of the e-maile i got were not very nice,i know that i wont be missed, but im gone for good.
JG.
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 06:13 AM
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thhenry- I told you before " I built all the guitars including the bodies" PETER-The supports you questioned are parts I use in conversions,"DO-IT YOURSELF KITS" etc.AS I recall I did a lot of additions and changes to the REMINGTOM you bought.The person I rebuilt it for complained because he couldn't play "BAREFOOT". I have no ideawhat was done to the guitar after it left me.There are such things as spacers to elevate the supports!!!! ED |
Fred Shannon
Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas
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posted 15 December 2004 06:22 AM
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b0b asks: "Is there any particular part that's unique to the Nashville LTD, that we can point to to spot a "fake"? What do the Nashville LTD fretboards look like, for example? (I've never seen a real Nashville LTD, so humor me a bit here, please?)"For gosh sake, Ed, answer b0b's question, and again, how many of these guitars have you made. Give us an idea. Hell I might have one of the FAKES, FLAKES, FLUKES, FLUBS, and don't know it. Tell us please!!! fred ------------------
"From Truth, Justice is Born"--Quanah Parker-1904
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 06:35 AM
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Fred- I answered b0b's question. As to the number I built. -AS a person who has been in business over 50 years, I learned years ago, that is a private matter and in the words of an old song "NOBODY'S BUSINESS" ED |
Tom Callahan
Member From: Dunlap, Tennessee, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 06:53 AM
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I'm with Jimmy. This kinda gets old after a while.
Tom Callahan |
Fred Shannon
Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas
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posted 15 December 2004 07:12 AM
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Ed, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I have a guitar that has the parts listed in Peter's post. I would be interested in what your fretboards have for markers. I just may have a "put together" piece of crap. That's the reason for the questions. I really don't care how many you've made, but if it's only 10 or 20 I may not have a fake, but if more I could have one. Whatever would possibly keep you from answering the questions. The guitar I have is exactly as the one b0b has pictured on his post. It has no logo, but it contains the parts, or similiar ones that Peter has pictured. I'm not trying to be funny, I just want to know if I have one of your Nashville LTD's or whatever you call them. I bought it at a pawn shop for 25 bucks, the guy would have probably paid me to take it out of his way. Fair question you don't have to answer, but for goodness' sakes stop beating around the damned bush. Is the guitar b0b posted one of your guitar's or not?
fred------------------
"From Truth, Justice is Born"--Quanah Parker-1904
[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 15 December 2004 at 07:36 AM.]
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 07:21 AM
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well,now i'm confused,i've got the dies here i bought,i was told they were the LTDs now i guess i've got the FAKES too huh.
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 07:42 AM
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Fred- In no way did I mean to offend you. The parts you describe are parts I use in the MAVERICK conversions. I sell lots of them to the "Do-it-yourselfer" .They are practical,and require no alteration and work on any 5/16 shaft.As for fretboards, I have several designs in stock including replacement ones for other guitars. I am sure the guitar you have does not have a LOGO on it.Call me or send some photos. ED |
Fred Shannon
Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas
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posted 15 December 2004 07:55 AM
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Ed, check your email, My last post.fred ------------------
"From Truth, Justice is Born"--Quanah Parker-1904
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 08:26 AM
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Oh Oh, |
Peter
Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 15 December 2004 09:13 AM
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Ed, you want to protect your interest in the Nasville LTD?
You want us to be on the look out for you?Just post a couple of decent pics on this forum. PROBLEM SOLVED!
No more guessing. No more beating around the bush. No more confusion. Unless, of course, you use this issue as a publicity stunt. In that case, you should perpetuate this forever! (You could use some nice excuses like: I don't have a camera; or, I don't know how to post pictures; or, all my production guitars have been sold, or whatever) ------------------
Peter den Hartogh
1970 Emmons D10 P/P; 1977 Sho-Bud D10 ProIII Custom;
1975 Fender Artist S10; Remington U12; 1947 Gibson BR4;
Internationally Accredited 3D Animation Academy [This message was edited by Peter on 15 December 2004 at 09:28 AM.]
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 09:34 AM
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Peter- One more time let me say-If a guitar has NASHVILLE LTD logo on it, it is a "Fake" unless It was purchased from me after May 1994.Anything prior to that would have parts different from what I used. The serial # alone will tell me if it is fake. ED |
Peter
Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 15 December 2004 09:45 AM
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With that information, we cannot be on the look out FOR you.
Sorry!
Bye! |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 15 December 2004 09:46 AM
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This kinda gets old after a while
And so do we. If we can't laugh at ourselves now, then when? When it's too late? When the Halloween pumpkin on the front porch has more teeth than we do? Laughter is good medicine. Like Sounheim wrote "Send In The Clowns", so here I am....  BTW, fake or real....I don't discriminate. I'm an equal opportunity perveyer.
:ee:
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Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 10:11 AM
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Peter-All I need is the serial #. With that alone I can tell if it is an"OLD" LTD {Prior to my purchase} or a FAKE. ED |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 15 December 2004 10:25 AM
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I heard that there is a steel guitar with a Nahvalle LTD logo on it. They want $125. How can I tell if it is a fake. I think it has some square crossrods and some round ones. Could you post the serial numbers of the ones you have built. It has a shobud logo. The original owner apparently bought it in 1989. |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 10:38 AM
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th- anything that resembles a Steel today is worth $125.Remember back the "DOOR HINGE" Steel that I sold the guy the parts for $30 ended up bringing $675 on E-Bay.?Ed |
Mike Weirauch
Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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posted 15 December 2004 10:43 AM
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If a guitar has NASHVILLE LTD logo on it, it is a "Fake" unless It was purchased from me after May 1994
I have a friend who owns a Nashville LTD that was custom made for him prior to May 1994 and you are saying IT is a fake? Ed, I would venture to say that any Nashville LTD made after May 1994 is a fake or a bastard model since you have already stated that you use different parts than the original design. Buying the rights to a name doesn't make a product become better just because you change the name of something inferior to something that once was superior to it! I shutter to think what would happen if you were to buy the rights to the Sho~Bud name. By the way, are you real or are you a fake? |
Ed Naylor
Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 15 December 2004 11:14 AM
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Mike- There were several LTD custom jobs built before 94.Like all Mfg from time to time they modify or sometimes completely change a product.You can't but a Chevy NOMAD any more. I updated some parts on the LTD so they were more effecient. I updated the Changer Return Springs because they had more adjustment possibilities. Also some suppliers have changed ownership or gone out of business.ED |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 01:05 PM
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No me NO-MAD, Dang i knew SHO-BUD was going to get in the picture,always does.i'm suprised that thing on ebay hasn't been called a sho-bud.I really think BOBBE sold me a Fake sho-bud.DANGIT, I'VE been took!!!
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 01:38 PM
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For the "Fake" fans, we have something you may love here. Yes sir, a new "FAKE" steel guitar. For full discription and pictures, click on here: |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 15 December 2004 01:43 PM
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ROFLOL.Come on guys Bobbe needs the money.  Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 15 December 2004 at 01:50 PM.] |
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