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Topic: Look out for "Fake" Nashville LTD Steels.
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Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 02:09 PM
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That is a very pretty FAKE,but it needs one of those Pretty girls leaning over it,then it wouldn't be FAKE no more!!WOW i can see it now!!!SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! farris |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 15 December 2004 02:10 PM
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Bobbe,That FAKE PEDAL BLASTER steel guitar looks a lot like the Nashville Ltd at a pawn shop in Rossville Boulevard in Chattanooga. The legs look the same. the pedal board, yes the same, the cabinet the same, except this one is red mica. The pick up looks identical!! What kind of fretboard has yours? Is it also fake. Could you give us an uinderneath view so that we can compare. There is a big difference in price. Has yours gold plated bell cranks and are they square or round. I think that Ed said that the many thousands of Nashville Ltds that he built all have square bell cranks. WE need more info!!!! or are The one in Rossville is $125 and yours is $6000 Why such a difference???? |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 02:16 PM
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TB,you get what you pay for,and BOBBE has the REAL FAKE!wonder how many Fakes he got? like you,sure like to see the bottom side!! gosh it might be the REAL FAKE! farris |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 02:24 PM
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Mr Henry, The retail price is $6000.00, but wholesale is $125.00. We have to make a little money you know, |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 15 December 2004 02:33 PM
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Bobbe,We can't really decide what is a fake and what is not unless we see between the legs, I mean we need to see what is underneath the front skirt of the guitar. Oh Bobbe!! you know what I mean. The more I try to explain the more likelihood of me saying something totally inappropriate. tbh |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 02:35 PM
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Thats right BOBBE,everybody gotta make a little,Wondering what a man gotta do to but a WHOLESALE FAKE!!i could run off some FAKE bills i guess!! MABE USE FAKE CREDIT CARD!! farris |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:03 PM
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I shudder to think of the money Ed's going to make with all this publicity! I think I should put up another theme sound clip, something pertaining to to this thread, Let's see: "It only hurts for a little while" "Born to Lose" "No One Will Ever Know" "Thanks a Lot" "I Let my Mind Wander" "Half A Man" "Take Me As I Am" "I won't mention it Again" Yes sir, This thread deserves it's own theme song. CNN even gives media events there own theme songs, |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:09 PM
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Bobbe, I just had a phone call from the lady at the pawn shop where I saw that Nashville Ltd, and she said the if you showed her a picture of yours, she would show you a picture of hers. What think you???? |
Ron Steenwijk Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:16 PM
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OH NO.Not a picture of that hangie down thing in the front. Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:37 PM
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I'm laughing too hard to type, sorry, Yes Henry, I'd be intrested in seeing hers, but I'm not to sure she'd feel the same about seeing mine.
Ronald, yer a killin' me! |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:44 PM
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Remember Bobbe, Yours is worth $6000 and hers ios only worth $125!!!!!!!!!!1 |
Gerald Pierce Member From: Maydelle, Texas, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 03:57 PM
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Maybe I'm a bit dense, but I can't quite figure out how I'd feel about this thread if I were Ed. On one hand, I haven't seen a thread this long since Buddy Emmons posted the message about a guitar that he supposedly owned. On the other hand, it seems that he's either being ridiculed or is one hell of a good ole boy. I've spoken to him on the phone a couple of times and he seemed like a decent person to me (anyone who spends time and money to rescue abused or homeless animals can't be too bad a person). I'm not sure if he's looked at as the village idiot, a shyster, a builder of junk, or just a cantankerous old fart. If the latter is true, then this cantankerous old fart really can't hold that against him. As far as how many guitars he's built, he's stated that it's his business. He's entitled to keep that info to himself if he wishes (for whatever reason he might have). I would make some of the statements I've seen here only about someone I thought was dishonest, a nut case, or a very close friend who would understand my warped sense of humor. At this point, I'm kinda' inclined to buy a guitar from Ed (or at least a bunch of parts)........or maybe not. Maybe I'll build my own and call them "Gnashville LTD".....I think that name is still available.
[This message was edited by Gerald Pierce on 15 December 2004 at 04:00 PM.] [This message was edited by Gerald Pierce on 15 December 2004 at 04:01 PM.] [This message was edited by Gerald Pierce on 15 December 2004 at 04:58 PM.] |
Gerald Pierce Member From: Maydelle, Texas, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 05:17 PM
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Duh! After just having been slapped in the face with a wet squirrel (via email), I now get the gist of this thread.Disclaimer: No squirrels were harmed in any way during the creation of this post. |
Lyle Bradford Member From: Gilbert WV USA
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posted 15 December 2004 06:27 PM
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Hey Bobbe Pinch yourself and see if you are fake or not!! LOL |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 06:34 PM
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darn, definitely a fake! |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 15 December 2004 07:19 PM
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And the mind continues to boggle... |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 15 December 2004 07:24 PM
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I really can't bear to see this.Now we have off-color sex innuendos in this thread, and a person's character being slammed over and over again in what seems to be a "jump on the bandwagon" mentality. I hate even writing anything, becuase I am aware of the many Forum posts in the past about Ed and many alleged bad transactions....and that activity has been reason for b0b to remove Ed from the Vendor List. I can't speak to those problem transactions as I have not had one or know anyone that has had one, and I can only hope that in any cases where someone ordered parts or a guitar from Ed, they received their items and/or a refund. But here's what I do know. Ed got me started on pedal steel. When I was just out of college and had very little money, he was the ONLY person that was reaching out to the beginners....and aside from the Carter company with their Starter, he still is. He told me he could refurbish an old Sho-Bud Maverick for me so that I could learn on it....$300. The guitar wasn't pretty, but it had a modern changer (no coat hangers underneath) and was configured to a 2/2 setup, which has been discussed before on this Forum as being much preferred over the old 3/1 beginner setup. And my $300 not only bought me a guitar....Ed included a NEW Bespeco volume pedal, picks, bars, instruction materials and an in-person lesson. Plus, he told me that if I ever wanted to upgrade, he'd give me the $300 back for the Maverick. Name ANYONE ELSE who will do that for you. I can't speak to his Nashville LTD guitars. But he has been upfront in all my dealings with him in the past, and I know whenever I would call him about used gear, he would never claim the instruments to be something they weren't. If I am not mistaken, when he has a Sho-Bud for sale, he usually(?) updates the changer and perhaps a few other items underneath.....but he always TELLS YOU THAT. So, either you want a Sho-Bud thats been modded/hacked/updated/whatever or you don't. Your choice. My guess is that the Nashville LTD does use parts that are common to other guitars, since Ed's shop is probably the biggest steel guitar parts warehouse I have ever seen. Seriously....if you need a part and he DOESN'T have it, I'd be shocked (he even had Dekley pedals!). So, as long as the parts are new and unused, why not use them in his guitar? He's not building these guitars on a production scale, and he's certainly not selling them at a cost near any of the other builders...so why all this trash-talking? And again....this is speculation on my part that he is using parts common to other guitars....he very well may have his own, unique guitar parts. I have seen a couple of Nashville LTDs in person, including one that was being sold at Arthur's music here in Indy earlier this year. It looked fantastic and played great. I have to believe it was one that Ed built, because it had the Nashville LTD logo and I recall a local instructor telling me he knew the elderly gentlemen that had sold it to Arthur's and believed it to be a recently built guitar. I do wish Ed would post a nice picture of one of his Nashville LTD's as the one on his website is very grainy. However, his reasons are his own...perhaps he does not own a digital camera or a scanner... In any event, I am playing pedal steel today because Ed bent over backwards to get me started in the right direction. I know I'm not the only one....and as long as he's around, I'm sure there are many more future steelers who will get their start via Ed. So, if you want to help keep interest in the steel growing, then let's try to not destroy the business of the guy who's been so active in trying to perpetuate interest in the steel. Joe |
Gary Watkins Member From: 10577 Forest Hill Dr., Glade Spring, VA. 24340
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posted 15 December 2004 07:28 PM
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Mr. Bobbe Seymour, just print 300 of these and you will have your F.A.K.E. $6,000.00. Please deliver the steel before Christmas. Thank You, Gary[This message was edited by Gary Watkins on 15 December 2004 at 07:30 PM.] [This message was edited by Gary Watkins on 15 December 2004 at 07:30 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 15 December 2004 08:01 PM
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Aw Gary, this looks "fake" to me. But then again, I feel that you need to print the money, this way it would be your money to trade me, for my "FAKE" guitar. If I print the money,-------- aw, never mind, this guitar is sold anyway. Thanks to all the publicity on the forum here. Gary, I still sell "fake" books, where did you think Jernigan learned all those tunes? |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 08:55 PM
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So his wife says.. "See the one in the mirror?.. That ones yours. This one belongs to the butcher..." ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/smile.gif) EJL |
Jennings Ward Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 15 December 2004 09:13 PM
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HELLO ED..I AM ON YOUR SIDE. IF YOU CAN, BURN THE THIEF A NEW ONE..THAT TYPE OF PERSON THAT WOULD TRY TO STEEL SOMEONE'S TRADE MARK SHOULD BE SHOT, AND THEN DRAWN AND QUARTERED, THEN KILLED......I KNOW WHAT IT IS LILE TO BE A VICTUM OF THEFT LIKE THIS. GO AFTER THEM ED.........JENNINGS------------------ EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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George Rozak Member From: Braidwood, Illinois USA
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posted 15 December 2004 10:40 PM
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quote: a person's character being slammed over and over again in what seems to be a "jump on the bandwagon" mentality.
I agree with you Joe. I'm really surprised that this thread has been allowed to go on as long as it has. |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 16 December 2004 04:33 AM
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I guess this is probaly where i should post this! I received a email from:OUT WEST MUSIC,won't go into the {contents}but it was sent {FAKE}well,after all the {nice}things they said!!!They forgot to sign it!! If i'm gonna say something!i'm not gonna hide,sounds kindda chicken S.to me.all i can say is go ahead sucker,i'm a big boy,i can take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! farris |
Ron Jones Member From: Lenoir City, Tennessee, USA
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posted 16 December 2004 05:53 AM
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GoergeI'm with you, But it is the forum. I can also say that I have learned something from this thread... Q. How do you spot a fake. A. See who's on the forum. Have a nice day I'm going to play my guitar. |
Ed Naylor Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 16 December 2004 06:13 AM
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Thanks to Joe and the other forumites that see my business as one that is dedicated to helping the STEEL GUITAR INDUSTRY AND PLAYERS.If I can help GRANDPA build a little steel to keep JOHNNY occupied , He may someday indead be a STEELER,but, more importantly it may keep him from spending time with VIOLENT video games and drugs.I go to bed at night thankful I somehow may have helped someone on saved an animal, ED |
Ron Jones Member From: Lenoir City, Tennessee, USA
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posted 16 December 2004 06:36 AM
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EdRalph Waldo Emerson once said, And I quote "What you are speaks so loudly that I can hardly hear what you are saying" I applaud you for your dignity in the manner in which you handled this post. |
Ed Naylor Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 16 December 2004 07:36 AM
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thhenry-Something don't match up here. I called the PAWN Shop you mentioned and they don't have ANY Steel guitars. As a matter of fact they do not take items for PAWN. ED |
Ed Naylor Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 16 December 2004 09:15 AM
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A little more info to help spot a Fake LTD. The older ones had changers with a 1/2 "shaft and the lowering fingers were around 2"and "ROUNDED" where the Spring hooked.The later ones like I use now have 5/8 " shaft and the Raise and lower fingers are 3/4" wide . Ed |
Jerry Roller Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 16 December 2004 09:32 AM
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Mr. Ed Naylor, I sincerely wish you a great Christmas and a wonderful 2005!!! Jerry |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 16 December 2004 09:34 AM
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Ed, All this being said....certainly you are not suggesting that the Nashville LTD's built prior to your involvement are fakes, are you? That seems to be implied by your statement that "older LTD's have etc. etc. while newer one like I use now have etc. etc." Older LTD's built by Gary Rittenberry would not be fakes. They are legitimate Nashville LTDs that were built prior to your purchase of the company. Please correct me if I misunderstood your post. Joe |
Ed Naylor Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa
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posted 16 December 2004 09:47 AM
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Joe- The "OLD" LTD built by Rittenberry prior to my pruchase in 93 used the 1/2 shaft and changer parts I described.I used the same thing after I bought him out but later I went to the 5/8 shaft etc.Any changer parts other than the 2 types I described would be a fake. Another thing to look for is "EMMONS" PP endplates on an LTD w/emblem.I had a bunch of them stolen from me one time.ED |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 16 December 2004 09:48 AM
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Ah.... I see what you meant. Nashville LTD's should then have one of the two changer styles, the older one being used by Gary and you, the newer one being used by you exclusively.Got it! ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/smile.gif) Joe |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 16 December 2004 10:13 AM
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Yes, the newer one "got the big shaft". |
b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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posted 16 December 2004 12:33 PM
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I was out of town yesterday, and couldn't check the Forum. This topic seems to be getting out of hand. I'm getting email complaints about it. I'm closing it.------------------
Bobby Lee -b0b- quasar@b0b.com System Administrator |