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Fred Shannon
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From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 06 July 2006 01:29 PM     profile     
Well the two thread hijackers have succeeded in having the thread originator close another great thread, even though forum members have had to sieve the BS from them. I think both of them need a little time out, say about 90 days, to thoroughly discuss Keyless and Keyed type guitars. Now there's a red face for you.

It only costs 5 bucks to have your own name, one should have to freeload the forum using someone elses' name. Chew on that.
LPhred

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"From Truth, Justice is Born"--Quanah Parker-1904

[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 06 July 2006 at 01:30 PM.]

Chris Lang
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From: Muskogee

posted 06 July 2006 01:43 PM     profile     
Fred I dont know you but you seem like you got problems like David D. Who said anything to you anyway? maybe you should mind your own busines.
David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 06 July 2006 01:46 PM     profile     
Chris, thank you for finally agreeing with the rest of us. If you take the nut out of the 24” scale guitar with 28” total string length, you have changed the scale from 24” to 28”. As the rest of us have maintained from the beginning, and as you now agree, it will now take much more tension to raise that longer scale to A. I’m not sure you can do that without breaking the string. Also, the overhang is now zero. The 25” scale guitar will have less tension at the same pitch. Assuming the overhang on the 25” scale guitar is greater than zero, the guitar with the shorter scale (25”) and the longer overhang will have less tension, and the guitar with the longer scale (28”) and the least overhang (actually zero) will have the greatest tension. So thankfully, you now agree with the rest of us that it is the shorter scale with the longer overhang that will have the least tension and break fewer strings; and it is the longer scale with the least overhang that will have the greatest tension and cause the most string breakage. I’m so glad you have changed your mind and come around to our way of thinking. Maybe you can now help Curt understand this.

I don’t understand your other comments about me. But now that we agree, maybe we can be friends.

Chris Lang
Member

From: Muskogee

posted 06 July 2006 01:57 PM     profile     
well David i do agree. thats what I have been saying all the time. The guitar with the longest string length total will break them 3rds faster than the shorter total length string guitar.Because the keyhead part and scale part have the same tension pounds.so it does not make a difference if it has a roller nut or not. The longer string lengths have more tension pounds. i dont know what all that other stuff you were saying was about but i felt attacked. BOB said to not let anyone use my post name then put a red mad face after it. whats he got to be mad about?
Chris Lang
Member

From: Muskogee

posted 06 July 2006 02:17 PM     profile     
well I found out what Freds problem is here iswhat he hit me with. He seems like a very angry guy. I hope hes not a member of some secret organisation!

From: "Fred Shannon" Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: langaretha@yahoo.com
Subject: step out brother
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:14:41 -0500

I don't believe you'll find your name listed in my post. Are you sure I'm referring to you and why if you believe that?? 'Take your problems with you somewhere else, but don't get into a pissin' contest with me. It'll be just like having a duel with an unarmed man. You won't win. Your 5 dollar entry fee doesn't include your entire family, only you. Lots of us are really frustrated with the hijacking being done by a couple of guys. All one has to do is check the title of the thread started by one of the most knowledgeable people in the steel guitar world, Ed Packard. he was trying to explain a series of experiments that several of us were interested in. He and Jim Palenscar had completed them recently. Then along comes a couple of dumps that are still interested in devoting their life, evidently, to doing away with keyed instruments and completely hijack the thread away from the original intent that a lot of us had asked for and that just pisses a bunch of people off, me included. Even though this is a forum, there are some rules and if one doesn't know them they should look them up and abide by them. It's not hard. I don't have a gripe with you or anyone else on the forum and don't intend to. There's just a couple of guys posting on this thread that are over the top and you're one of them. Why in the hell didn't you got back over to the thread on the MCI to make your statements. None of them are pertinent to the thread that we asked Ed to start. That's all I''ve got to say to you about that. It's just bad news and very unethical to steal the thread like you two guys did and , again , there's a lot of people pissed about it. We email each other too.
Fred Shannon.

Fred Shannon
Member

From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas

posted 06 July 2006 02:34 PM     profile     
Well I sent this guy an email to keep from having to add to what is already a mess. Of course he doesn't realize that emails are personal and an ethical person would have asked the other party before publishing on a public forum. He didn't. In this case, i don't mind at all. The email expresses a lot of our frustration with the hijacking's of threads. It's perfectly obvious to many of us these two guys are pulling our chains and diverting discussion away from what the thread is about.

I really don't have time to sieve the BS out of the posts. Free loading on someone else's name is kinda upsetting also. Many of us contribute money to the Forum in addition to buying products there to help keep it in operation. Then we have to put up with someone freeloading on another's name and they don't even know why b0b gets mad.

Rest my case. I'll answer all emails and I wish Ed could continue his dissertations about the thread topic. Phred

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[This message was edited by Fred Shannon on 06 July 2006 at 02:35 PM.]

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 06 July 2006 02:50 PM     profile     
Guys, I am so sorry for my part in getting this thread off topic. It seemed like to me that Curt and Chris were somehow collaborating to pull our legs. So I pulled his/theirs back in what I meant to be a humorous way. But that was off topic. Please disregard everything off-topic I said about them. And please continue this post on topic, or start a new one if need be.
Chris Lang
Member

From: Muskogee

posted 06 July 2006 03:01 PM     profile     
Very well then. I am sorry to get so upset. I will just watch this thread for a while and not post, unless is it on the topic.
I dont want to cause trouble.Sorry if i did.

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