If I tab out playing those 3 strings together with the pedal down I really need to be able to put the same letter on all three strings.

My reply:

TablEdit allows it without any problem. Indeed the labels are completely independant of the pitch changes.

So I really don't see the problem (if any).

Can you see where this is a little confusing?
CF

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 22 August 2001 at 08:05 PM.]

You can do the grace note without the pitch change to B(+1 tone), but not in combination with the tone raise. I haven't found any other way (e.g., slides, etc.) to do it that I like as much.

To me, the real art of writing tab will be to capture the nuance which is otherwise inferred in most tab programs. If we can't capture a simple pedal squeeze, then we lose a lot, IMNSHO. If there is a better way to do this that I'm missing, I'd love to have some suggestions.

And btw, my own application is just tab writing, not sound file creation, so perhaps I'm approaching this from a more simplistic viewpoint than some of you computer audio guys.

[This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 23 August 2001 at 04:52 AM.]

As soon as my PayPal Account is verified (I have to wait for the printed monthly Credit Card Bill) I will get the registered Version. Somehow the normal Credit Card Button doesnt work.

One Question:

I found the Option to print the Chord fingerings between notes and Tab, but where is the Option to put the Chord Names in that place. The examples in the posting use that feature.

2nd Question

You mentioned the a will do something with the spacing. The only thing it does in my version (a3) is the the note turns red. I dont want no red notes (;-), but I seem to be too dumd to turn thenm into black again.

Anyway - Thanks for a great Software.

btw - What's The language You developed this thing in?

Roland Grothe
Hanau, Germany

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what's wrong with the way
that we're doin' it now
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Very small slide lines may be inserted for something like this: 5-5A or for this: 10-11

The small lines will show up on the PRINT PREVIEW, but not on your screen as you are composing the tab.

Try this (be sure that you have set the PEDAL STEEL GUITAR mode first):

1) enter two different numbers next to each other on the same string.
2) highlight the number to the left, click on NOTE, and then SPECIAL EFFECTS, and click on SLIDE and then OK
3) Click on the PRINT PREVIEW up on the toolbar and you will see the small slide line

You can display a GRACE NOTE like this:

1) enter a number in the tab
2) with that number highlighted, click on NOTE, and then GRACE NOTE, and choose the type of effect (slide or hammer-on, etc), and click OK

Small Cap,

To enter CHORD NAMES:

1) click on EDIT on the toolbar
2) click on TEXT MANAGER
3) click on NEW and type in a chord and highlight a Text Position
4) click on INSERT

The red notes will print in black. Click on the Print Preview to check that out.

Vertical SPACING of the lines can be adjusted on the Print Preview screen.

1) click on the print preview on the toolbar
2) click on Print Setup
3) on the "General" tab the spacing may be set. You may also choose to display the tab numbers on the stings (instead of the spaces) if you wish.

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> I just played a little bit with the program while reading thru' this posīt
> ... wow - thats what I've always looked for.

> As soon as my PayPal Account is verified (I have to wait for the printed
> monthly Credit Card Bill) I will get the registered Version. Somehow the
> normal Credit Card Button doesnt work.

You can also register through the german registration page. This offers to you the ability to pay with "Bankeinzug"

> One Question:

> I found the Option to print the Chord fingerings between notes and Tab, but
> where is the Option to put the Chord Names in that place. The examples in the
> posting use that feature.

The examples use simple texts. { Edit | Text Manager } or simply type [T].

> 2nd Question

> You mentioned the a will do something with the spacing. The only thing it
> does in my version (a3) is the the note turns red. I dont want no red notes
> (;-), but I seem to be too dumd to turn thenm into black again.

The red notes are showing so called "duration errors":
- any note whose assigned duration is impossible, e.g. a 1/4 note followed by another note on the same string at an interval of an 1/8th note
- 1/4 notes or greater entered on an off-beat

> btw - What's The language You developed this thing in?

pure C.

Steve:

What I think would be most useful - at least in terms of what I like to see
in tab - is to be able to show a grace note tied to a pedal raise (or some
other change) in combination. In other words, a simple pedal squeeze - say
from 8>8B on string 6.

I've already replied to this request by e-mail and asked for some explanation about what you want. I didn't receive any response.

About the request:

Due to the file format limitation, a pitch change can't be combined with a grace note.

This will be probably over with v3.00. But for now we must live with it.

About what you want:

Now I understand, I could propose to use the Choke effect which has no use for a PSG. It is easy to împlement the following:

If the note is "Choked" and if there is a pitch change and if the tab is a "Pedal Steel Guitar" tablature, then print (e.g.) 8>8B in the tablature, nothing special in notation and play a bend slur back.

BTW, TE would stop to play the bend slur except if the Choke effect is explicitely selected.

I think this is the right solution.

Would you like that: http://www.tabledit.com/images/psgchoke.gif ?

You have just to select a note with pitch change and to apply to it the Choke special effect.

Also the pitch change is played back with a slur effect.

This will be available in v2.60 a4.

But I've tried to employ the pedal/knee changes and have experimented with BEND/RELEASE, CHOKE, SIMPLE BEND, HAMMER-ON, SLIDE, AND COMBINATIONS. But to me, nothing cuts the note off better than just going up or down the neck to where the note is, without pedals or knees.

BUT.....in real life, if you can block well,
than you obviously can do it with knees and levers.
Reflections....

Doug, BTW, how did you go about reproducing "Love Me Tender" tab and putting it on the Forum? I would sure like to know how to do that? Thanks again.
CF

I like the ( > ) used to indicate the quick pedal action. It takes some getting used to because it's different, but I think it would be a good addition to the PSG program under the "choke".

Chip,

To send the notation (or a section of it) over the internet you need to convert it to
a gif file. If you don't do this, the file will be Huge. To do this I downloaded a free image viewer/editor called IrfanView.

1) click on the Print Preview
2) type in 85%
3) click on EXPORT
4) click on PASTE TO CLIPBOARD AS BITMAP
5) Paste the image to "image viewer" and save it as .gif file which may be sent over the internet. I uploaded mine to my ISP space.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 23 August 2001 at 07:13 PM.]

I am using the demo version 2.60D. When I set up a rhythm of half, eighth, quarter and eighth. I get a "red" note on the quarter. In another measure I have a "dotted" quarter note, two eighths, a quarter and an eighth. This also makes the quarter a "red" note.

Should we really be posting this feedback through the forum? I nearly just e-mailed this directly to the table edit forum directly.

quote:

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I like the ( > ) used to indicate the quick pedal action. It takes some getting used to because it's different, but I think it would be a good addition to the PSG program under the "choke".

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The 'slide' and 'choke' designations for this same effect don't look as good to me as the grace note for this effect.

My $0.02.

[This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 24 August 2001 at 06:30 AM.]

> The 'slide' and 'choke' designations for this same effect don't look as good
> to me as the grace note for this effect.

I don't understand anymore, you have sent to me a plain ASCII tablature as example. I've modified the program and I send you a much nicer looking tab, the corresponding musical notation, a score you can play back, etc... And now you tell me you want something else that "looks better". Ok. I could perfectly display a choke like a bend grace note but can you assure me you will be definitively satisfied? ;-)

Roland:

By registering (Thanks) you have asked how to display slides without the "Sl" text.

With v2.60 a3, the slides are simple lines without any text if the "Pedal Steel Guitar" option is checked.

Dayton:

If you have such questions please e-mail them to me if you don't find the answer in the help file. The red notes are showing the "duration error". I.e. notes with impossible duration or misplacement:
- any note whose assigned duration is impossible, e.g. a 1/4 note followed by another note on the same string at an interval of an 1/8th note
- 1/4 notes or greater entered on an off-beat

You can disable the "duration error" display (Options | Screen) but it is not recommanded since these notes often cause a wrong midi playback.

To All:

I'll upload tomorrow a new v2.60 a4 with the v2.60 complete help file.

It simply prints and play a bend grace note when the choke effect is selected in a PSG tab.

Can you make the letters bold like the numbers they're next to?

(I'm a picky SOB aren't I?)

[This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 24 August 2001 at 05:15 PM.]

I like the lighter grace notes. In my opinion that makes more sense, since grace notes have no time value.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 24 August 2001 at 06:35 PM.]

IMHO, making the letters as bold as numbers would not be very pretty when the label is not a simple letter (e.g. a three-character string).

quote:

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Steve:
IMHO, making the letters as bold as numbers would not be very pretty when the label is not a simple letter (e.g. a three-character string).

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(Now, can you tell me how you did that? 'A bend grace note when choke is selected'?)

Thanks for the help.

Steve

[This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 25 August 2001 at 05:55 AM.]

Not everyone has been able to endure the differing opionions of our Steel Brother(/Sister)-Hood. A lesser programmer would have thown up his hands and run off!

After playing with the demo for about a week,
I have just registered. I encourage others to do so.

Your level of customer support, by itself, is worth the price.

One thing you need to improve is:
Show that you take PayPal on your order site.
As it is now, we don't see the PayPal logo until we complete the order form.

I did not complete the order form until I emailed Keith, and confirmed that you accept PayPal. Then I filled out the form, and then saw the Paypal option in the next page.

Thanks again,

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[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 09 April 2004 at 03:56 AM.]

Hello All,

I inform you I've just uploaded the new demo v2.60 a4. Here is the direct link:
http://www.tabledit.com/download/tev260d.exe (606 Kb)

The file is bigger in size than the previous demos because I've added the newly updated help file for v2.60 (which is much bigger than the executable ;-)

Changes:

- ability to use and define fifteen text strings (instead of ten) for labelling the floor pedal and knee levers.

- these text strings can have up to three characters (instead of two).

- the slur effect is played back only if you have selected the Choke special effect.

- The Choke special effect causes a bend/released grace note to be displayed both on notation and stave.

- TablEdit uses the "Text 1" font to display pedals and levers. You can define this font in (Options | Fonts).

Now I'm thinking about a feature to optimize the fingerings when importing a midi file or changing the tuning.

Thanks to the ones who have recently registered. This is a big encouragement for me.

To SmallCap:

The Mac version doesn't include any PSG features. The Mac version is based on TE v2.10 (the official PC version two years ago).

To Steve:

Just select the note then the Choke effect and TE will handle it as bend grace note.

To Chip:

The "Solo Predefined Instrument" is an "advanced option" (Options | Advanced)

To Chip and Doug:

For creating a graphical file from the Print Preview, I think personally the best scale is 100%.

- I mark the desired area
- I press Export button then "Paste to Clipboard as Bitmap"
(From this point the image is in the Windows clipboard)
- I open PaintShop Pro or any graphic editor (Paint w98 is also suitable)
- I select the Paste command
- I save the image as a gif file.

A single arrow = a half step, up or down.
A double arrow = a whole step.

example:

I would like to see this addition:

Please?

-j0e-

[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 25 August 2001 at 11:53 AM.]

As it is so gently asked, I think I'll give up

Two Arrows Up = ##
Two Arrows Down = bb

Two Thumbs Down = a bad movie

Here's an example of a chromatic run:

Thanks,
-j0e-

[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 25 August 2001 at 11:36 AM.]

You can force the alteration of a note by
using the b and # buttons of the Notes palette.

Put the little blue box on the note to be altered.
Click on DISPLAY, and then PALETTES, and then NOTES. then click on # or b.

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It works for me.

Did you download the
"Official Technical Manual & Tutorial"
from the (non-secure) download area of their website?

You have to download it separately from the TablEdit page.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 30 August 2001 at 08:46 AM.]

IMHO I think the tab looks better without the stems in it. I don't like the way they go through the numbers. You can choose not to display the stems in the tab. To do this click on the Print Preview, Print Setup, Display, and then Un-check "Note Stems" and "As in notation".

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 28 August 2001 at 10:30 PM.]

There's now a Pedal Steel area at the secured tabledit site.

I suspect discussions about use of the program are best held there.

I love this forum but don't want to overtax it's resources.

The best music forum, and, that just happens to be the Pedal Steel Guitar Forum, is the place to find out and contribute, anything and everything.

The only time I got any response from
the Tabledit Forum was to address Matthieu, Tom, or Keith, directly. Otherwise, you may as well watch paint dry.

I'm not knockin' Tabledit [far from it]. It's just that
the participation on TE of all concerned, is nowhere near what we have on the SGF.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 30 August 2001 at 09:58 AM.]