The sample below is the first line of Beyond The Reef from my new 16
EASY SONGS package Shameless Plug!. What you see is TableEdit's version of my arrangement. I sent Matt
a copy and he put this together. (There is a tie missing on the A note at the end
of measure 4 to the A note at the beginning of measure 5).

Matthieu tells me that the numbers and letters could be placed in the lines
instead of on the spaces. I think that's a good idea, since that's what we are all
used to. In addition, there is audio in the program, so you can hear what
you just entered. I did not link the audio file to this post.

If you have any ideas or opinions please email Matthieu Leschemelle at
matthieu@tabledit.com and post your ideas here. He's
looking for input from us. Thanks!

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 10 August 2001 at 06:42 PM.]

...aside from the intervals, it makes the timing clear...tab doesn't do that at all...

...how about including the lyrics under the notation if there are vocals, that would put the icing on the cake..you wouldn't even need an instrument, you could just play it in your head...

...I like it a lot...

[This message was edited by Pat Burns on 10 August 2001 at 07:33 PM.]

Joe,

On the standard TablEdit guitar program, you may enter the tab and the note will appear at the same moment or you may enter the note and the tab will appear. But it may not appear on the sting or fret you want it to, and then you can simply change that. I don't know how Matt has set this up... considering the pedal steel's multiple locations for any 1 note. You'd have to ask him through an email, since he is the one who actually put this sample together.

You can download a DEMO of the current tabledit
HERE. The current version allows you to
expand to 10 strings and use any tuning you want. Try experimenting with the editing and entering, etc. The new pedal steel version should work in a similar
fashion.

bob, sorry about the wide gif file. I just posted what was sent to me. Is there any way to reduce such a file before submitting it to the forum?

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 12 August 2001 at 08:30 AM.]

Example: THIS-––3A---- NOT THIS---3-A----

I've got the demo right now, but I'm going to get the full version as soon as the
PSG tab feature is straightened out.

Here is the latest sample... numbers and letters in the spaces, and chord
names:

If you have any ideas or opinions please email Matthieu Leschemelle at matthieu@tabledit.com and post your ideas here.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 11 August 2001 at 07:20 PM.]

This pedal steel program is a work in progress. If you have questions email
Matthieu Leschemelle at matthieu@tabledit.com

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I am a registered user because of its fantastic archive of free acoustic guitar tabs. When I want a new piece to learn I sit down and listen to it play a few dozen pieces til one takes my fancy.

It plays slaps, pops, harmonics bends damped notes strums....plays a lot better than most acoustic guitarista in my opinion.

Rick and Rebel's Tab archive should be passed across to Tabledit format as soon as Tabledit has the PSG solved.

I'm fooling around with the program right now, and it's defaulted to putting the notes (numerical) on the lines, but the pitch changes (e.g., pedal letters) on the spaces below the corresponding line.

The author is CONSTANTLY improving it....and by that I mean adding things that users suggest...it does harmonica tab!!!!! Dulcimer tab!!!!! Lyrics chords....you name it he programs it.

How about this for an offer to the members who double on 6 string....if anyone's interested, download the program and email me...I'll send you some Django Reinhardt or CHet Atkins note for note transcriptions.

You need to reset the tab options so that the number will appear in the space.

Try this:

Click on FILE
Click on OPTIONS
the "General" file should be showing
look on the right side and where is says "Tablature Presentation" click on the right circle and then click on OK

This will put your tab numbers in the space. There will still be 10 lines (not 11 lines like in most of our 10 string tab). String 1 numbers should be entered above the top line. The open string "note names" will continue to align with the lines, not the spaces. That is one thing that will hopefully be corrected soon. The programmer works every day on TablEdit to make improvements. Registered users can always get the latest version.

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 12 August 2001 at 02:50 PM.]

I'm replying to your last postings, I'd like to tell you I never got such a feedback from any musical community. It's really nice :-)

I'm refering to the latest TablEdit update (v2.60). I've uploaded a demo version http://www.tabledit.com/download/tev260d.exe (280 KB) in order you can test the program without having to register (to pay for the complete version) right now.

My replies are in caps.

Hmmm... I thought that most players preferred having the numbers/letter ON the lines rather than
in the spaces, no? Did I imagine that? (Although one should discontinue printing the line at the
point where the number/letter is written, so they don't overlap)

NO PROBLEM.THERE IS AN OPTION. YOU CAN STILL USE THE OLD GOOD SYSTEM OF TABLEDIT. BUT IF YOU CHECK THE "PEDAL STEEL GUITAR" OPTION OF THE INSTRUMENT DIALOG BOX, THE TABLATURE WILL BE DISPLAYED WITH THE NUMBER IN THE SPACES.

Looks very good. Will it work with MIDI also??

YES THE PITCH CHANGES CHANGE THE NOTE TO BE PLAYED PROPERLY. IF THE "PEDAL STEEL GUITAR" OPTION OF THE INSTRUMENT DIALOG BOX IS CHECKED, THERE IS ALSO A SLIGHT PITCH BEND EFFECT TO SIMULATE THE PEDAL OR LEVER ACTION.

What is the cost for this software mail me that please.

TABLEDIT COSTS 55 $US. THE UPDATES ARE COMPLETELY FREE FOR REGISTERED USERS.

Rick and Rebel's Tab archive should be passed across to Tabledit format as soon as Tabledit has
the PSG solved.

HONESTLY, I THINK THE SOLVING IS VERY CLOSE. IN http://www.tabledit.com/download/psg01.zip, YOU'LL FIND SOME IMAGES TO SHOW THE VARIOUS POSSIBILITIES YOU ALREADY CAN GET WITH V2.60.

I have emailed Matthieu and asked if the Demo and/or registered version allows for music
notation/tablature to be converted to a .bmp file.
This would make it possible to use other programs ie Windows Paint for additional editing.
I have done this extensively with ClicTab.
I mention it here as this feature may be of interest to others also. It makes it possible to
personalize you work if you so desire.

AS I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED, MY PRINCIPLE AS SOFTWARE DEVELOPER IS TO OFFER ALL THE NECESSARY FLEXIBILITY TO THE FINAL USER. SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ANY RESULT THAT COULD BE REASONABLY EXPECTED AND IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO EDIT TEDIOUSLY AN IMAGE WITH A GRAPHIC EDITOR.

I'm fooling around with the program right now, and it's defaulted to putting the notes
(numerical) on the lines, but the pitch changes (e.g., pedal letters) on the spaces below the
corresponding line.

How do you fix that, or alternatively go back and forth between line mode and space mode?

SINCE YOU ARE USING THE VERSION 2.50, YOU CAN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NEW FEATURES OF V2.60.
PLEASE DOWNLOAD THE VERSION 2.60 DEMO FROM THE LINK ABOVE.

I'm currently working on PSG support in a very unusual but efficient interactive process: I note the suggestions of the Steel Guitar Forum's members, I make the changes in the program, then I wait for the remarks and suggestions, and so on...

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

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Steelin' Greetings
Marco Schouten
Sho-Bud Pro III Custom

By the way, this program may be used for dobro, lap steel, guitar or any other instrument with up to 12 strings. It has so many features... it's beyond belief!

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[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 13 August 2001 at 08:11 PM.]

I am amazed at how quickly I can import a midi and have a workable guitar arrangement. It is a truly fantastic option for guitar.

Pedal steel is different. As its played with a bar your standard fingering algorithms wont work. You cant simultaneously play notes on different strings at different fret positions. The way of arranging is finding the position where all the notes are aligned. Pedals are used to raise and lower string pitch so that all the desired notes align at a certain fret for a moment.

Let's get downloading and registering...as with other communities he wont stop til he gets it perfect. But he needs to be sent examples, tabs in TABLEDIT format with an explanation of what it does, and if its wrong, what it should do and why,

This is too good an opportunity for the PSG community to pass up.

Imagine a standard format for passing around PSG tabs....but a format that will permit you to have in one file the tab, and a way of hearing the music, slowing down to any speed for practice play along.

This program can also have the accompaniment....you can put in guitar tab, bass tab, drum track, a chord accompaniment track (you can import the midi file produced by band in the box....then we wouldnt need to buy band in a box to reproduce back up tracks. It will print out lead sheets just like jeff newman uses with the chords

| E E | B7 | A | A E !

Im gushing so much that perhaps I should state that I have no connection with Tabledit other than the one you all will have soon....a 110% satisfied customer

I couldn't agree more........it's a fantastic program.......I'm still finding out new things to do with Tabledit. I've bought programs that cost twice as much, and
delivered twice as little. The small fee for the registered version is money well spent. And newer versions are always free; not like BIAB, for instance.

[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 14 August 2001 at 05:13 AM.]

It seems these things take time. I'm glad that finally it looks like we might start supporting Tabledit as a community and then Im sure tabs that play themselves and accompany themselves will start flying around the net from PSG player to PSG player.

I feel the same enthusiasm for getting together in one of the audio chats, I am regularly on PALTALK in a room where acoustic guitarists play by turns and people listen comment and sometimes ask what chord/inversion or whatever was being used. Its unbeleivable how fast you can grasp musical concepts when they are played as well as explained.

Jeremy Williams
Gandia Valencia
Spain

seatug@mediaone.net............and we'll
take it from here. Thanks.

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STEELDAYS 2002
my web-site
my bands CODand TSC

Everything is possible.

I just need to know the rules to be applied (and to be convinced it is useful to implement them ;-).

The Pedal Steel Guitar community would give their right arm for a program with that capacity (it wouldn't do any harm...we play with our knees and feet) :-)

But seriously....we would need to put a LOT of effort into explaining a logical way to calculate where to play an arrangement. Matthieu could program it...but Im not sure we could describe it to him.