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Jim Smith
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From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 15 November 2002 07:08 AM     profile     
A major plus you have is being in Nashville. If you haven't already, you should talk with every heavyweight steel player in town and try to get commitments for articles, both news and instructional for your magazine.

I used to subscribe to Guitar Player just for the steel related articles, and would definitely subscribe to yours for more of Buddy's C6 columns.

Billy Woo
Member

From: Los Angeles, CA, USA

posted 15 November 2002 07:25 AM     profile     
Terry

Looks like you've got the "Writing Bug" Fer Sure, Count me in too

Bronco Billy

Zumsteel U-12, Sierra U-12

Steel tryin
Member

From: Macon, Ga.

posted 15 November 2002 07:52 AM     profile     
Terry, Please finish all the TAB you promised before you start the Magazine.
That's my vote
John Lacey
Member

From: Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada

posted 15 November 2002 08:42 AM     profile     
Terry, I would go the ezine route. As Russ Rask's effort was dying, I suggested that route repeatedly as I think it has the most merit in terms of being up to date and interactive. As for the folks that don't have internet service, if I can afford it, anyone can afford it! Of course, there are startup and maintenance costs in an ezine, but they are probably lower than in an antiquated print-form method.
Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 15 November 2002 09:07 AM     profile     
I agree with John Lacey and others who've suggested an e-Zine instead. The e-Zine is definitely grabbing the "high ground", instead of just "taking another shot" at 'the same old' thing (another 'newsletter'/magazine/print media thing). You could really put out something that goes way beyond what anyone has ever done, and you could do it for much lower costs (I think). Yours could be the first to include video clips, audio or video interviews, tab WITH sound from the pros, reviews of new CDs WITH sound clips!, etc., etc., taking this far beyond what's ever been tried before. PLUS, by doing that, you'd be going further than the Forum has been able to go, in terms of sound files (which is what the Forum needs most of all, IMHO). There would be less likelihood that people would say, "I get all the info. I need from the Forum".

Sure not everybody's online but to reach all the guys who aren't with a print piece is much more expensive, and actually much less interesting (IMHO).

I figure you can either try to recreate the 1980s (Bradshaw) or the 1990s (Rask), or you can go for the 21st century instead.

Think about it! But, whatever you decide, count me in.

Jimbeaux

Del Rangel
Member

From: Sacramento, CA, USA

posted 15 November 2002 09:46 AM     profile     
yabeddabelievit!
Ed Mooney
Member

From: Chicago

posted 15 November 2002 09:52 AM     profile     
I'm in,......providing it has a new centerfold each issue.

Ed

Sierra U12 & other goodies

Gene Jones
Member

From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 15 November 2002 10:11 AM     profile     
I want to see Smiley in the centerfold...without the shorts. Then and only then, can he be justifiably judged! www.genejones.com
b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 15 November 2002 12:46 PM     profile     
quote:
Russ operated in the red throughout the entire life of the magazine. He needed 3,000 subscribers to make the magazine profitable. The most he ever got was 2,700, and that was before the forum. Once the forum got started he lost about 400 subscribers.
This is the first I've heard of that. Actually, I doubt that the Forum was the reason for the lost subscribers. People stopped renewing when the magazine started missing delivery dates. More people probably dropped off when the magazine inadvertantly slandered an honest, well-known vendor.

The Forum always supported Steel Guitar World Magazine. New players were constantly advised to subscribe. Lori and I even researched the idea of buying the magazine from Russ, but we couldn't make the numbers work.

Terry, I think you need to consider the fact that you may never get more than 3,000 subscribers. It's really hard to break even with such small circulation.

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Bob Blair
Member

From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 15 November 2002 06:09 PM     profile     
I don't see the Forum and a magazine (whether an e-zine or traditional) meeting the same needs. The kind of information sharing we have on the forum is something that we just didn't have years ago. But well thought-out articles, columns, and interviews of the sort you can get in a magazine have a different kind of value, and I long for that kind of stuff as well. Think of some of the best issues of "Guitar Player", or the old Bradshaw magazines, and the better SGW issues - great stuff. I just don't want to see someone like Terry go through the financial worries and heartbreak that an enterprise like that can lead to. The numbers just don't look right to me. But for my own selfish reasons, if we had another "Steel Guitarist" magazine available of that quality I would be thrilled and grateful.
Leroy Riggs
Member

From: High Country, CO

posted 15 November 2002 06:33 PM     profile     
What about a closely linked, friendly co-endeavor between the Forum and a Terry-produced e-zine? The audience would be given to Terry on a platter. Advertisements would be OK.
Patrick Ickes
Member

From: Upper Lake, CA USA

posted 15 November 2002 10:20 PM     profile     
Hi Terry,
The answer is NO. There are too many resourses available through other media that are free. I would bet that most the folks who tell you YES will be letting their subscriptions go at the first renewal.
Good luck in your ventures,
Pat
Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 16 November 2002 09:26 AM     profile     
Man, all of this and then last night I was watching an interview on Shania and up pops this same guy with a comment on the Lady !!

Good seeing you on the tube Terry !! Even if it was very brief.

Regards, Paul

Bill Llewellyn
Member

From: San Jose, CA

posted 16 November 2002 09:36 AM     profile     
My vote is for an e-zine. The needed resources are smaller. I'm not sure how subscription fees would be handled, since a lot of the e-zines I've seen are free. Here's one of my favorites (not steel related): www.journale.com
John P.Phillips
Member

From: Brunswick, Ga. U.S.A.

posted 16 November 2002 11:59 AM     profile     
Well Terry,I'd be in for sure but like Patrick said, how many guys are saying yes because of the excitement and would later renege on their word. It's a lot easier to decide when your big bucks are not on the line.I think there would be room for it if it would be supported !!! GOOD LUCK WITH WHATEVER !!!

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[This message was edited by John P.Phillips on 16 November 2002 at 12:01 PM.]

Jim Marconi
Member

From: Richmond IL. / Summerland Key Fl. USA

posted 16 November 2002 05:00 PM     profile     
Hi Terry...Thank You for your support and concern to better the Pedal Steel World...It takes a great love to to risk your funds in a challenge like this...and I am sure a lot of us would support you. because when it is said and done us pickers are one tight family. Just be carefull.

Jim Marconi

John Macy
Member

From: Denver, CO USA

posted 16 November 2002 05:55 PM     profile     
It's kinda like the old "how do you make a million dollars in the music business?--start with ten million" thing.

However, I would subscribe...Best of luck.

John Macy
Member

From: Denver, CO USA

posted 16 November 2002 06:01 PM     profile     
It's kinda like the old "how do you make a million dollars in the music business?--start with ten million" thing.

However, I would subscribe...Best of luck.

Dana Wayne
Member

From: Tallahassee, Fl

posted 17 November 2002 05:14 AM     profile     
YES
Bruce Meyer
Member

From: Naperville, IL & Thompson's Station, TN

posted 17 November 2002 10:25 AM     profile     
Terry

While I would subscribe to the magazine as soon as it came out. However, given the lack of success of other steel mags, I'd share a lot of concerns expressed above.

I'm assuming this is not going to be striclty a "love" effort (without regard to profit and loss). Do you have some sort of business plan that estimates expenses and minimum revenue to survive? Can you realistically make these? If it's marginal, don't do it or use somebody elses money!

Drew Howard
Member

From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.

posted 17 November 2002 11:52 AM     profile     
Terry,

What Larry said. An e-zine would be great.

The Steel Guitar Forum has proved to be much more versatile and responsive than a print publication. Without meaning to be, the forum would be hard to beat. Print is quite expensive, and the monthly nut for printing each issue would be high. The primary cost of an e-zine would be in the start-up phase.

Focus on a fresh angle, like player profiles, equipment test-drives by name players, reviews, yet another forum, tab corner.

Your income would be from ad banner sales. You have the server space already.

good luck,
Drew

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Herb Steiner
Member

From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 17 November 2002 12:16 PM     profile     
Terry
In a previous life, I was a newspaper advertising manager, so I do have some experience in producing print journals. IMHO, dead trees (paprer) are the old economy. Some uses are still viable, but for the small and... sad to say it..., basically fickle and hard to please market, the numbers don't work.

Even when Russ was on publishing schedule, some guys would cancel subscriptions because of articles about steel guitar that "weren't country" or some other equally personal reason. Another factor is I feel a large percentage of the steel guitar market simply doesn't do a whole lot of recreational reading, which I believe is a growing phenomenon of society as a whole.

Just as a sidebar, where Russ really got in over his head was his move to full-color and glossy paper. Subscriptions only pay a small part of the monthly nut; he had to attract more advertising bucks and felt that a fanzine couldn't get companies like Boss, Roland, etc., so he upgraded. I cautioned against it since four-color and glossy really jacks up the monthly nut. At the same time, his published schedule faltered and subscribers started leaving due to the inconsistencies of delivery. End of story... also end of home ownership, sadly.

I would suggest the e-zine route. It's not old technology, not inventory intensive, the portal of entry is relatively wide, start-up costs would be smaller than print, and there are more competing service providers that offer competitive rates than the companies that provide newsprint, which is constantly getting more expensive.

I'll support the project no matter what your choice. But if it were my bucks...

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Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 17 November 2002 12:41 PM     profile     
Herb and John make some good points. Still...I feel the web-based approach would miss a large percentage of the players out there. It's not so much the expense of a computer, but the technology...it still scares many people away. You gotta remember that you can't "sell" to people who aren't on the web with "web-based" advertising!

If you're really into this, though (and it looks like you are!), try doing a simple "newsletter" for a start. This would only have to be 6-12 pages, and you could do most all of the work yourself. It would give you a feel for what the problems might be without "mortgaging the farm" first!

Terry Wendt
Member

From: Nashville, TN, USA

posted 17 November 2002 02:10 PM     profile     
I very much appreciate all of the replies! It seems that there is still plenty of genuine concern for others among the steel guitar community which I have always known and loved.

I am still processing much of the input gained through this post (with special thanks to b0b and The Forum) and continue to analyze the posts.

Many are not aware of this but my wife Sharon and I operate a small private book/print publishing company here in Nashville (Apple Books, Inc.) and have a high-end quality commercial laser printer in house. Due to the experience gained from our first publication of my own autobiography (The Early Days) and a couple of other books we published, I am somewhat aware of the costs associated with printing.

This magazine could be printed in house (not ink) and would be a tremendous amount of work! However, the costs commonly associated with the printing-end of the industry would not be my primary concern.

As far as an ezine - I believe some opinions might be invalid due to my lack of access to a high-speed internet connection at present. Additionally, if it were cost/time prohibitive, I believe b0b would be more suited to undertake that venture with his vast knowledge and experience of internet based business/technology and so forth. It might be much more expensive than some realize. The time and costs associated with operating our simple web hosting/design company (aLotOfSpace.com) would surprise you.

I am still thinking about it... so I still appreciate everyone for posting their thoughts and opinions

[This message was edited by Terry Wendt on 17 November 2002 at 02:12 PM.]

Bob Simmons
Member

From: Trafford, Alabama, USA

posted 17 November 2002 06:51 PM     profile     
Sounds good,but be sure about your printing costs-things can get out of hand, and it's more than just a part time job with no pay. I'll do some articles on repairing,and war stories. Bob Simmons
Jack Francis
Member

From: Mesa, Arizona, USA

posted 17 November 2002 06:58 PM     profile     
It would good to see a comment here from Tom
Bradshaw on this subject.
Jack
Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 17 November 2002 07:27 PM     profile     
quote:
my wife Sharon and I operate a small private book/print publishing company here in Nashville (Apple Books, Inc.) and have a high-end quality commercial laser printer in house.
Well, why didn't ya say so in the first place!? That changes EVERYTHING! Go for it!!
Buck Grantham
Member

From: Denham Springs, LA. USA

posted 17 November 2002 08:25 PM     profile     
We needed all this support when Steel Guitar World magazine was going down. It's been tryed and tryed and never gets enough support. I don't think it will work this time. I hate to see someone jump into this and lose their house and have to go belly up.The guy that ran Steel guitar World did his best and what did he get in the end, nothing but the shaft. Sorry, but that's my 2 cents
Patrick Carlson
Member

From: Sutton, Nebraska, USA

posted 17 November 2002 08:52 PM     profile     
Yes

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Perry Hansen
Member

From: Bismarck, N.D.

posted 17 November 2002 10:07 PM     profile     
I'm in Terry.
Frank Estes
Member

From: Huntsville, AL

posted 18 November 2002 08:05 AM     profile     
Yes! It would be cool to include info like where and who the session players are working during the month and other Nashville scene news/rumors.
Bob Hayes
Member

From: Church Hill,Tenn,USA

posted 18 November 2002 08:31 AM     profile     
Since I don't know much about publishing, but enjoy reading stuff about the steel....and admire you're talent as a musician & writer..I'll vote YES..and my subscription will go proudly in My Reading Room.....
Grouchyvet
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 18 November 2002 02:56 PM     profile     
quote:
"We needed all this support when Steel Guitar World magazine was going down."

There was this much support, Buck. Unfortunatly a few hundred supporters was not enough.

If you try and it fails, Terry, promise you'll still hang out here. It's bad enough when businesses go down, but I hate to lose contact with the folks that tried.

Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 18 November 2002 04:24 PM     profile     
I can second that feeling Joey. I felt like I had lost a brother when Russ dropped out of sight. I really liked the guy and would have done anything to help him but on my retirement checks and the odd job I had playing, there simply wasn't enough to go around and I hated feeling that helpless.

Regards, Paul

Rick Ulrich
Member

From: Gilbert, Arizona

posted 18 November 2002 06:17 PM     profile     
Would love to see a magazine. Still have all my old issues of SGWM and read them from time to time. Always find something I missed the first time I read them. But heed the warnings. There just doesn't seem to be enough subscribers out there to make a regular magazine profitable. I like the annual idea. Something like that might be profitable. I would subscribe but vote against you doing it for your own wellbeing.
Harry Hess
Member

From: Blue Bell, PA., USA

posted 18 November 2002 08:39 PM     profile     
Terry,

A new steel mag would be really great!!! Sounds like you are in a position to pull off what the other guys were unable to do. Don't let the failures of others stop you if you know that you have a way to pull it off without risking the farm. I don't see how this Forum or any message board could compete with a good magazine that you can hold in your hand and read while sitting on the couch or lying down. And the control of, and therefore possible lack of pollution would really be refreshing.

Again, if you know you have a way to pull it off without risking the farm, go for it. I'd subscribe.

Geoff Cole
Member

From: Marrara N.T. Australia

posted 18 November 2002 09:24 PM     profile     
Yes Terry, I'll be in it.
Paul Graupp,that's typical of you.You are a bloody good bloke.
Ricky0ne1
Member

From: West Peoria, IL, USA

posted 19 November 2002 07:55 AM     profile     
Excellent idea! Count me in... the online idea sounds really great though.. that way we could hear as well as read samples, etc..
Let her rip!
Rick
Bill Findlay
Member

From: Baytown, Texas, USA

posted 19 November 2002 02:30 PM     profile     
Yes A Steel Guitar Magazine would be a good thing and I would subcribe to it. It is always good to be able to read about the different performers and equipment. And it should be a good place for advertizer to promote their wares.....Hope you can pull it off.
Troy Porter
Member

From: Globe AZ USA

posted 19 November 2002 05:24 PM     profile     
I agree with Harry. Count me in.

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