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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 23 June 2005 03:47 PM
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Wow!!! This resurrected thread has really cheered this old dude way up! It comes at a time when I really needed the lift. I'm so flattered by so many kind words from my illustrious steel guitar friends. Thank you all so much! Chuck...here's a link to another forum thread that has a link to a PDF file with my set-up. (thanks to David L. Donald and John McGann) Gerry....I can't wait to bore all the other Heather Myles band with all of our steel-guitar-speak! |
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MUSICO Member From: Jeremy Williams in Spain |
posted 24 June 2005 03:37 AM
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Just discovered this gem. Personally I´d´like to see tab....could never play it but it´s just an intellectual exercise of going through those grips to see what is what...¿how much is there on my guitar and I just never bothered to look for it? ¿How much is due to the extra pedal? For now I´m just content to listen to it over and over again. I would personally be prepared to pay (in advance) $30 for a transcription. ¿Anyone else? If enough people wanted it .........just an idea. Jeremy Williams
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 24 June 2005 10:35 AM
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Transcendent. A perfect juxtaposition of masterful playing and soulful singing. ------------------ |
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Bill McCloskey Member From: |
posted 24 June 2005 12:09 PM
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Boy, it be great if there was a forum for the "Best of SGF". This would be right at the top. Really fantastic piece of overall musicianship. I've always loved the piece ever since I first heard John McLaughlin play it on My Goals Beyond in the early 70's. That was before I got totally into Charlie Mingus and heard the original. Really, really fantastic. Great job Rick. |
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Greg Vincent Member From: Los Angeles, CA USA |
posted 24 June 2005 12:39 PM
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I can DIG IT! -GV |
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Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
posted 24 June 2005 01:48 PM
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Thanks for digging this one up. It knocked me out in '03, and did the same again now. Rick, sir, you got TALENT!! |
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Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA |
posted 24 June 2005 08:51 PM
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This is still one of my favorite steel guitar cuts of all time. Especially late at night when I am in that mood. It has soul. (Rick, the offer still holds) ------------------ |
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Terje Larson Member From: Rinkeby, Spånga, Sweden |
posted 24 June 2005 11:05 PM
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Really liked it Rick. It's a personal favorite and I thought your version was fresh. Who wrote the lyrics? I've never heard them before. This is one of those tunes that is on my wishlist over songs to learn and play in the band. Heck, I should work on it later today, in the afternoon when I have some time for myself. So, thanks for inspiring me also! ------------------ |
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Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA |
posted 25 June 2005 06:00 AM
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Terje, I think they're part of a lyric set that Joni Mitchell wrote. She spent some time with Mingus before he died; got to know him and applied lyrics to several of his tunes for an album 'Mingus', with Jaco Pastorius, who plays great horn lines on bass. I think you would enjoy it; it's a favorite in my stable of albums. |
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Terje Larson Member From: Rinkeby, Spånga, Sweden |
posted 25 June 2005 07:01 AM
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Thanks for the info. I like Joni Mitchel, just don't have that many records with her. Come to think of it I have only that one, Blue. Which is great and I put it on a couple of times a year, around Christmas. Never did buy that Mingus album but I was aware that it existed and that Jaco was on it. Looks like I'm off to buy myself a new CD soon. And I just got the melody line down on balalajka here. Gonna try to work in some of the chord tones as a second voice here and there too. I'm also a big fan of Mike Perlowin's version of this song, which is at the end of his Firebird Suite CD, which I also highly recommend to anyone here who hasn't bought it yet. Buy it and thank me later. ------------------ [This message was edited by Terje Larson on 25 June 2005 at 07:02 AM.] |
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 25 June 2005 09:23 AM
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Actually I heard this version of lyrics years before Joni came up with her beautiful but verbose take on this tune. It was on a Roland Kirk album. I'm not sure if Roland was the guy responsible for the words? When I was working this tune up, I wanted to get quickly in and out vocally, so I only used one of the two verses I could find. Joni's lyrics contain many more verses than that...a pretty long narrative! Once again guys...all your kind words are "Blowin' MY hat in the creek"!!!!! Thanks so much! |
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 25 June 2005 09:33 AM
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Terje...at the risk of hijacking my own thread, I've gotta say that if you wanna get some of the greatest Joni Mitchell albums in her jazz phase, you should check out "Heijira", "Court and Spark", "Hissing of Summer Lawns", "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" etc etc etc. I havn't really been keeping up with all her recent stuff, but I'm sure it's all brilliant too! |
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Wayne Cox Member From: Chatham, Louisiana, USA |
posted 25 June 2005 11:08 AM
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RICK and whoever resurrected this thread; THANK YOU!!! Like John McGann said,"Either you can play it or you can't". Obviously RICK can! Don't know how I missed it the first round but I'm glad I caught it this time. When I think about how to best describe it, only superlatives come to mind. I guess there is reason for that, hmmmm. Please keep up the GREAT work! ~~W.C.~~ |
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Terje Larson Member From: Rinkeby, Spånga, Sweden |
posted 25 June 2005 12:21 PM
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Rick, I'm very glad I stumbled on this thread and heard your great music. As I've said it has inspired me to finally learn a tune I have thought of learning for a long time. Thanks for that, and thanks for the tips on Joni Mitchel. BTW there's nothing stopping you from playing this as a regular 12-bar blues in F minor, is there? I mean, there's that E in bars 6 and 7 but in bar 6 that would be the b5 of the ivm7 chord (Bbm7) and in a jazzy blues that can't be wrong. In bar 7 it would be the major 7th of the im7 chord (Fm7)... that's not really blues but... don't worry, I will learn the chords tp this, I'm just thinking like this if I take this melody with me to a blues jam sesssion or something. Anyway,now I'm almost hijacking your thread here, sorry. Do you have this or anything else on a recording? You know, one that you sell. ------------------ [This message was edited by Terje Larson on 25 June 2005 at 12:22 PM.] |
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Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA |
posted 25 June 2005 12:31 PM
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Roland Kirk, sure, that makes sense. Joni is long winded. Terje, what Rick Schmidt said about 'Court and Spark'. that was at the top of her form, and the L A Express backs her up. Highly recommended. |
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Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 25 June 2005 01:43 PM
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Rick--you're not gonna be collecting money from us to reblock your hat, now, once you fish it out of the creek, are you? Is this the same hat that you wore on the Scott Weiland TV session? 'cause that was cool and I'll pitch in some $$ for that one. Please let us know. PS--if it's just a porkpie hat, I dunno. I'd have to think about it. |
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 26 June 2005 08:14 AM
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Terge.....no, I don't have any product to sell.....except for possibly the hat that Jon was mentioning.  If I still remember how to play steel after I get back from a month playing bass in Texas and Europe with Heather Myles, I hope I'll be inspired and energized enough to at least think about doing something like finally recording my CD. |
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John Billings Member From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA |
posted 27 June 2005 03:50 PM
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Stunned silence.................. |
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Terje Larson Member From: Rinkeby, Spånga, Sweden |
posted 29 June 2005 11:55 AM
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Rick, I love hats, seriously, so don't even joke about it. You could fool me into buying any hat that I could wear. But I doubt it that the hat you'd have to sell would be the right size since my head is very big (there's nothing in it, it's just big). If you go to my band's site (www.drbalalajka.com) you'll see just how bad it is. Back to the more serious part of the topic... those sure as hell are not the lyrics Joni Mitchell sings on the record Mingus. So who really wrote the lyrics you're singing? ------------------ |
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 29 June 2005 12:08 PM
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Terje...I heard these lyrics a long time ago on a Roland Kirk record. When I was thinking about singing along with my steel arrangement, I asked the Forum if anybody knew those words. Sure enough, forumite John Kavanaugh come up with them from a fake book. Here's that link: Once again, thanks to b0b for making it all possible! oh and BTW, I've got a large melon head myself. |
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Terje Larson Member From: Rinkeby, Spånga, Sweden |
posted 30 June 2005 09:41 PM
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So, you're saying Roalnd Kirk wrote the words? Anyway, you made me buy Joni Mitchell's Mingus album so far, that can't be a bad thing, right? What size do you wear when it comes to hats? I'm a big 62 cm, more like 62.5 cm actually. For this reason I get my hats custom made by a hatter in town. In fact, he's the only one still working on mens' hats in the country. He works for swedish public service TV. He's gonna make me a bunch of Hombergs soon. he doesn't know it but I'm gonna call him about it after he's had his vacation. ------------------ |
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Joy Wofford Member From: Battle Creek, Michigan, USA |
posted 30 June 2005 10:18 PM
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OOOOOOOOO Rick!!! Yes, I can dig it!!! That was just so... I don't have the words. Where have you been hiding?????? Like everyone else here, I want to hear more, PLEASE. Joy |
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Richard Nelson Member From: Drogheda, Louth, Ireland |
posted 01 July 2005 10:44 AM
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Well done Rick I really liked the intro. Where did you get that ?Is it your own ? I have been playing that tune for about a year now as an intro to 'Speak no Evil' (Wayne Shorter) I just play it straight thru 2 times. I play it in F and its written F although Mingus did it in G I think or was is Eb. I tried to record it and it sounded crap so well done great feel and use of the instrument. |
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 01 July 2005 11:09 AM
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Thanks again everybody for making me feel so good! I can't believe I've hit the 100 mark!!  Richard...when I recorded that a couple years ago, I tried a few off the cuff intros on each take. After a few tries, that one seemed to flow from out of nowhere. One of those lucky moments that never seems to come when I'm trying to make it happen. Since then, I've actually had to relearn it so I can play it again sometime. BTW, I'll be in the UK next week playing bass with Gerry Hogan....I'll wave at ya across the Irish Sea. |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 01 July 2005 07:55 PM
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This is a fine cut, much recomended listening! Also I second ther recomendation of 'Court and Spark', super album. And "Miles Of Aisles" the live album with the same band, but expanded material, and the 1st outing of Robin Ford, who had replaced LArry Carlton. Wish it had a steel player... but ya cain't haive ivry thang! |
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Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL |
posted 26 December 2006 12:00 PM
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I have a feeling that this thread is due to be periodically resurrected! I missed this first (and second) time around, because my ancient computer wasn't up to the task. Now we have a powerful new one AND high-speed, so at last I get to hear what everyone was marveling at.... Thank you, Rick! I haven't been so affected by a steel-guitar recording since Mike Smith's 'Jesus Loves Me'. I was utterly mesmerised, and I now have some idea what my friend, Gerry Hogan (as good as HE is!), must go through when you're standing right behind him on stage. Back to the drawing board..... RR |
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Russ Tkac Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA |
posted 26 December 2006 12:34 PM
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Rick, That is fantastic! Thanks, |
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Cliff Kane Member From: Long Beach, CA |
posted 26 December 2006 02:27 PM
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Wow..that is sweeeeeeetttttttttt! don't know how I missed this one the first two times. Thanks so much for the resurrection. Thanks,for playing that, Rick. Man, I love it. What a treat. |
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Gerry Hogan Member From: Burghclere, Hampshire, England |
posted 26 December 2006 02:56 PM
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Roger, thanks for resurrecting this! Isn't it great! My steel playing is at the "Chopsticks" level compared to the quality of this. It's so well arranged and executed, and such a nice feel. BTW: you should hear Rick's Mum play piano! I have been privileged to hear a CD of her playing the most exquisite jazz - it was an education. All I can say is that Rick has learnt well! Gerry |
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Mark White Member From: Michigan, USA |
posted 26 December 2006 04:31 PM
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This is so very, very cool. How do I get more?!? edited: to add an extra "very" [This message was edited by Mark White on 26 December 2006 at 04:35 PM.] |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 26 December 2006 07:47 PM
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This must have originally been posted before I got on the Forum. It is way good. Direct into the board really works for this. Mingus and Rahsan Roland Kirk on pedal steel - what a beautiful piece, so well done.  |
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Howard Tate Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA |
posted 27 December 2006 06:06 AM
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I just heard this for the first time,it's absolutely beautiful. I really hope you let us hear "Lush Life", one of my favorites. ------------------ |
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Ad Kersten Member From: Beek en Donk, The Netherlands |
posted 27 December 2006 06:17 AM
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Roger R, Thanks for resurrecting this posting. I missed it too and I am glad you made me aware of it. Rick, this is great, maybe not everybodies cup of tea but it's certainly mine! Ad ------------------ |
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Tommy White Member From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A. |
posted 27 December 2006 06:45 AM
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Wow! I missed this one the first few times around. Glad I caught this one! How incredibly fresh and deep. Bravo Rick! |
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David Wright Member From: Modesto .Ca USA. |
posted 27 December 2006 07:50 AM
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Like Tommy, I just found this too....Damm.... !!!!! Rick is a musicans musican... and he needs to know he has my very up most resepct...and am going to break his hands when I see him again!!!!!!!!! very , very , well done my friend!!!.. ------------------ [This message was edited by David Wright on 27 December 2006 at 07:52 AM.] |
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Wade Medlock Member From: Clarkston, GA USA |
posted 27 December 2006 08:15 AM
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Great grips there, Rick. |
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Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth |
posted 27 December 2006 09:05 AM
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Rick Schmidt Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA |
posted 27 December 2006 10:16 AM
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Geez, I never thought I'd see this thread bumped up again....thanks Roger! ...and thanks to all of you guys for the incredibly kind words! You have really given this old Blue Christmas dude a major lift. I'm beyond honored to have this old offering listened to by such incredibly great players. God Bless you all!!! p.s. David...if I don't shake your hand the next time you come down to Pali's, you'll know why. |
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JERRY THURMOND Member From: sullivan mo u.s.a. |
posted 27 December 2006 01:14 PM
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WOW This is some good stuff, would like to hear more Jerry |
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Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA |
posted 27 December 2006 10:25 PM
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Still one of my favorite steel recordings. And the offer still holds...... ------------------ |
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