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Bill Hankey
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posted 07 December 2001 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

The "lucky 7" was designed to
minimize bending of the .011 string
at the 3rd changer finger, plus,
it absorbs the impact of the shock
which occurs while sustaining
direct blows by metal picks.

The standard universal changer of
70's, and 80's featured the sharp
bending of the .011 string. Steel
guitarists at that time found the
.010's to be the most satisfactory.
The string of choice could easily
maintain the G# pitch. However,the
excessive stretch points at the
changer finger, reminded the player not to build any appreciable hopes
by snapping at different intervals.
Many of you have read the term,
"The cry of tin." I submit that the
cry of steel is the culprit, when
the bending of a somewhat brittle
metal occurs at the overstretched
area; near the changer. I submit
that a new device is in order. One
designed to allow for a 1/4 tone
raise at the changer, and a 1/4
tone at left side (tuning key side)
of the steel guitar. The new device would involve 3rd, 4th, and
5th string attachments. I have a
"Golo" arrangement at the tuner
end of my steel that has proven to
be totally satisfactory in changing
pitches.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 08 December 2001 at 04:29 AM.]

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 08 December 2001 at 04:33 AM.]



Steve Feldman
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posted 07 December 2001 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Feldman     
quote:
I will attempt to respond to the
overwhelming responses to this
post, and stress my appreciation
for those who contribute by sharing
experiences, and inducing laughter
as they reflect a great amount of
wisdom, and ever so discreetly,
insert the trivia which hastens,
and precipitates the amusement that
is such a boost in our everyday
lifestyle.


You really should try to do something about these run-on sentences, Bill.

259 to go...

Jeff Lampert
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posted 07 December 2001 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Lampert     
Burp. 258.


Robert Thomas
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posted 07 December 2001 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Thomas     
Where can I buy 3 "lucky sevens"
e-mail me at ret1934@netzero.net
Thanks
Robert Thomas


Bill Hankey
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posted 07 December 2001 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

Robert T.

Thank you for the inquiry.
The "Lucky 7" is in the conceptualized stages, and will
require a lengthy series of proven
methods to determine if in fact
it is marketable.

Bill H.

Jeff Lampert
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posted 07 December 2001 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Lampert     
I was ready to buy one. What will I do with the $2000 I saved up for it?


Jerry Roller
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posted 07 December 2001 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Roller     
This problem with the premature breakage of the 3rd string aparantly enters the nostils of some of you guys as a gentle zephyr over a Lilac bush in the springtime but to me it is as a harsh wind over a cess pool in the hot summertime. Go for it Bill! Jeff, you still counting?
Jerry


Paul Graupp
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posted 07 December 2001 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Graupp     
Jeff; If I had $2K I'd be calling Anapeg or Tom Brumley right now !!

I changed strings last friday before the show since they had been on near three months, no breaks. Sat nite, first song, I broke the 1st on E9th and last song I broke the 3rd. Same brand, same guage, same everything and still the same result !! Go figger........

Regards, Paul

Gene Jones
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posted 07 December 2001 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene Jones     
My experience is that if the 3rd doesn't break when you install it, it's probably good for 2 or 3 jobs. www.genejones.com


Chris Walke
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posted 07 December 2001 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Walke     
Garsh, I'm glad I play non-pedal. So's my checkbook and anyone within earshot.

I've broken many strings as a lead guitarist, mostly when on stage. Because the strings were old? Not usually. Because I pulled the heck out of them. If there was something that I could have put on the bridge to keep the string from breaking, I would have done it in a heartbeat...just so that I'd never have to change a string in the middle of a set. The idea of the Lucky 7 is a good one, if it gets you thru the show without a break.

Lee Baucum
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posted 07 December 2001 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Baucum     
I'm just tickled pink that Steve Feldman was able to work the word "booger" into one of his posts.

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Lee, from South Texas


Bill Hankey
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posted 07 December 2001 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

The realization of how to manage
the excessive breakage of the 3rd
string that has created so much
clamor amongst country music week-
end warriors, has finally arrived.
Satisfaction, is the key word.
The little bushwhacker can deliver
abuses on a regular basis. The
situation has changed dramatically
in my corner of the world, since
the introduction of the "Lucky 7",
and the simplistic "Golo" , a
veritable gold mine discovery that
has the potential to arrest any
of the breakage problems. I will
be installing the "Golo" on the
3rd string, after the holidays,
and then proceed to experiment by
utilizing mechanical means, which
will simulate an instrument that
is subjected to much use.

Bill H.



Steve Frost
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posted 07 December 2001 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Frost     
Rock my world! Has the Golo superceded the Lucky Seven already?! Or am I misinterpreting the conundrum which your convoluted and contorted constructions have contrived to convey cogent cogitations to us.Criminy, Bill! Spit it out already!


Bill Hankey
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posted 08 December 2001 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

Steve F.

No, not by a long shot has the
"GOLO" "superseded" The "Lucky 7".
It is located at the tuning key
end of the steel. Its own record
of making accurate tone changes is
second to none.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 08 December 2001 at 05:14 PM.]



Johan Jansen
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posted 08 December 2001 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johan Jansen     
Smiley, is this you???


jim palmer
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posted 08 December 2001 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jim palmer     
Bill, how does the Lucky 7 fasten on to the changer finger?


jim palmer
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posted 08 December 2001 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jim palmer     
Bill,how does the Lucky 7 fasten on to the changer finger?


Jeff Lampert
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posted 08 December 2001 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Lampert     
Very good idea, Jim. If we double-post we'll get to 300 much faster.


Jeff Lampert
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posted 08 December 2001 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Lampert     
Very good idea, Jim. If we double-post we'll get to 300 much faster.


Bill Hankey
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posted 08 December 2001 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

Jim P.

A tiny machine screw threaded
into the changer finger approx.
3/32 of an inch. I threaded the
shrink pin's aperture to receive
the tiny machine screw. Thanks for
your interest.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 08 December 2001 at 06:46 AM.]



Sage
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posted 08 December 2001 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sage     
There once was a steel player named Bill,
who saw steel guitar needs he could fill.
He re-threaded his finger to make 11's linger
until they were over the hill.



Sage
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posted 08 December 2001 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sage     
There once was a steel player named Bill,
who saw steel guitar needs he could fill.
He re-threaded his finger to make 11's linger
until they were over the hill.



Steve Feldman
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posted 08 December 2001 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Feldman     
quote:
Steve F.
No, not by a long shot has the
"GOLO" "superceded" The "Lucky 7".
It is located at the tuning key
end of the steel. Its own record
of making accurate tone changes is
second to none.

Bill H.



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Steve Feldman
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posted 08 December 2001 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Feldman     
quote:
Steve F.
No, not by a long shot has the
"GOLO" "superceded" The "Lucky 7".
It is located at the tuning key
end of the steel. Its own record
of making accurate tone changes is
second to none.

Bill H.



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Steve Stallings
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posted 08 December 2001 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Stallings     
ooooohhhh.....my head hurts. The humanity of it all....

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Steve Stallings
Bremond, Texas




HowardR
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posted 08 December 2001 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HowardR     
The "Golo?" That's just what this thread has done...


Larry Miller
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posted 08 December 2001 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Miller     
Hey! I know how to get to three hundred, let's pretend that I just came into this at post #66, not knowing anything about what's going on here, and I say "Hey fellas, what are you talking about?


Harold Dye
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posted 08 December 2001 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harold Dye     
GADZOOKS BILL!!!! Your accomplishment has had earth shattering repercussions. So far the dicussion has involved the Golden Gate bridge, metalurgy, oxidation, guages and last, but not least, boogers and the "Golo". !!!!EGads MAN!!! you have stimulated such a treasure trove of intelluctual objectivity, and I have been left virtually speechless(but not quite). At this point the only thing I can think to add is....do either the Lucky 7 or the Golo come in Black?


kyle reid
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posted 08 December 2001 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyle reid     
Harold! How about the guy that's glad he plays non-pedal guitar! what a sacrifice! Go Figure!


Bill Hankey
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posted 08 December 2001 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

Harold D.

Your perky humor can be added to
the listings of technical input.
However, don't lose sight of the
$ 5000.00 steel guitar with a
snapped .011 draped over its side
smack dab in the middle of a show-
case performance. There is much
ado at that juncture, especially
among the spectators. The steel
guitar artistry had been stalled
at that point, at least while the
bandleader pleads for mercy, and
the string is replaced in record
time. That scenario is what this
thread depicts frequently. The
bending, and stretching of spring
wire has been recognized as the
most significant contributor of
premature breakage.

Bill H.


[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 08 December 2001 at 02:33 PM.]



Lee Baucum
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posted 08 December 2001 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Baucum     
Ah Hah! I see a golden opportunity to make tens of dollars here. Just produce a video on how to change a string in record time.

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Lee, from South Texas


Lee Baucum
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posted 08 December 2001 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Baucum     
Ah Hah! I see a golden opportunity to make tens of dollars here. Just produce a video on how to change a string in record time.

------------------
Lee, from South Texas


Harold Dye
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posted 08 December 2001 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harold Dye     
Bill..It is without question yours is a most fertile mind. Your ideas are cutting edge and when juxtaposed with other recent inventions, clearly rise above the fray. If my reading of previous posts is correct you stated the Golo superceded the Lucky 7. This in itself is evidence of a superior mind straining to fulfill the need that is far to advanced for conventional thinking. Your supposition that the thing (golo) once invented is now obsolute, shows a commitment to providing the "best" for the best. You painted such a vivid picture of the $5000 steel, hobbled by such a minor occurance, yet so vital to the overall order of things, is mind boggleing. Sir, your perception is uncanny!! Please do not be dismayed or dissuaded by the musings of a few. Take comfort in the fact that yours is a goal worthly of great heights and is a committment to excellance. YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT...by the way, do they come in black?


Jeff Lampert
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posted 08 December 2001 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Lampert     
quote:
Please do not be dismayed or dissuaded by the musings of a few.

Harumph! Sir, I take offense to your implications of the triviality of my thoughts about Mr. Hankey's inventions. We shall duel to the finish tomorrow at dawn.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 08 December 2001 at 05:25 PM.]



Jeff Lampert
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posted 08 December 2001 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff Lampert     
quote:
Please do not be dismayed or dissuaded by the musings of a few.

Harumph! Sir, I take offense to your implications of the triviality of my thoughts about Mr. Hankey's inventions. We shall duel to the finish tomorrow at dawn.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 08 December 2001 at 05:26 PM.]



chas smith
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posted 08 December 2001 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chas smith     
quote:
The Golden Gate bridge oxidizes fairly quickly because it's out in the weathering environment.
And like Sage brought up, it's in a salt water environment. One of the techniques used is to paint these things with a chemical that converts the rust to a polymer. Also a negative DC charge can be applied to the bridge to repel the negative valence electrons of the oxygen atoms.

I like the DC to the strings idea. It will make grabbing the strings and touching the guitar player on the back of his neck even more fun.

Bill Hankey
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posted 09 December 2001 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hankey     

The double postings have prompted
me to respond to fellow steel
guitarists who have suggested that
this post, entitled, " A Bent String,Is A Spent String ", could
reach a given number. Attaining such a number is not my goal,though putting the beleaguered .011 string located at the 3rd changer finger, on the E9th chromatic neck; on "trial" would appeal to me. Notes which lead to accounts of bygone
experiences of players who have
been there when the vexatious .011's had taken flight, are desirous.

Any attempts made to modify the
harshness of a whipped hand, or
properly handling the disruption
for the sake of the band, would be
interesting material to read.

Bill H.


Paul Graupp
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posted 09 December 2001 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Graupp     
Bill; My memory goes back far enough to recall when the odd strings of E9th were on the back of the neck. This placed the G#-A in the first position. We soon learned that wouldn't work using the first tuning key.

In quiet desperation we put the first string on the 3rd tuning key and it was somewhat better. After forty some years of playing it still shatters my evening when a string breaks under my hand. I jump way out of proportion to the stimulus but it is unexpected and I cannot control it.

I can also recall using .009s, .010s and .0105s before .011s and .0115s came along. I have never been able to even reach a G# with a .012. When I was in europe, a music store in NY whose name I have forgotten, was working with me on this problem and sent me some ( God, I hate to say this.....) some banjo strings. If you even looked at them too hard, they broke. I think they were .008s. I also received some handwritten mail from Paul Bigsy with his well know comments about this string raise.

I would be the first to note that you create and manage some of the most interesting and provacative threads I have read on the Forum.
You have my regards and thanks for doing that and yes I was thinking about double posting to keep with the flow of this but Jody Carver has warned me; there is a guy on here with a big badge so I'm not going to press my luck !!!

Regards, Paul

jim miller
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posted 09 December 2001 11:06 AM           
FWIW. When I first started on steel in the early 80's, I changed strings once a month. Kind of expensive for a U 12.
At one of Buddy's classes, I asked him how often he changed his strings. This was his answer. " Oh, maybe once a year. If I have an important session, I might change 3 or 4 of them." I guess it doesn't hurt too much to keep them on there a while. Jim Miller I'D RATHER BE STEELIN'


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posted 09 December 2001 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Roller     
If it were not for inovative thinking minds like that of Bill Hankey, there is no telling what sort of primitive geetar we might be playing. In my mind the jury is still out on the "Lucky Seven", but I have an idea that the GoLo idea is going to be something most of us not playing keyless guitars will be using a form of in the near future. I share Bill's interest in a device that will avoid or deminish hysteresis. I have had an idea in my head for several years but have not gone the the trouble to develop it as Bill has done with his ideas.
Jerry

[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 09 December 2001 at 11:59 AM.]



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