posted 23 January 2002 08:28 AM         

Bring you own refreshments,,I will supply the food. Place your choice of menu's and I will
have my chef look them over. Bill,,,this is the longest thread in "history".

Just think,,,,,we are all a part of "history" and will go down in the book of
records. What a "treat".

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 23 January 2002 at 08:31 AM.]

posted 23 January 2002 01:57 PM         

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 23 January 2002 at 05:40 PM.]

posted 23 January 2002 03:49 PM         

Since you are the "Chief" of this thread,,,,and your name is "Hankey" we could really call it "hankychief"

Whatinfo you sent was interesting,,,I still dont know whether or not it will work for me.

HankeyChief I think thats pretty cool

posted 23 January 2002 06:57 PM         

H E L L O

posted 30 January 2002 01:40 PM         

The bent string principle is well
founded, in that acquired knowledge
dictates time and time again, that
by subjecting an .011 string to any
excessive bending, negates its
tolerance properties to the point of breakage. Pitch and design are
the two culprits responsible for
interrupted performances.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 30 January 2002 at 07:18 PM.]

posted 31 January 2002 06:01 AM         

It's a short-scale keyless, and I'm using
an .012 for the 3rd string and it hardly ever
breaks. When it has snapped, it was well beyond it's useful, tonal, life expectancy. I usually will change all strings if and when
the 3rd finally goes.

I don't play out much anymore, so changing strings often is not a big priority with me.

When they don't stay in tune too well, or just sound crummy, or the 3rd pops, then I'll change them all.

The .012 just seems to be more in balance with the other gauges than an .011. Like you said, it doesn't seem as flimsy, and is "louder" than an .011.

The breaking of the 3rd string just isn't an issue with me, anyway.

Interesting post, and I can't believe how long it's been going on. Personally, I think that the lessening of the angle-acuteness at the bridge-end is heading in the right direction towards improving the 3rd [or any string] string breakage dumlemma.

FWIW...ChipsAhoy

posted 01 February 2002 03:20 AM         

Everything we choose to do in life
differs in some way, to whatever the mass of individuals choose as a
daily or routine activity. There is very little truth in the statement, "He plays like so and so." The same is true when the issue involves
deciding when to change steel guitar strings, or when a player
suddenly decides to bring his/her
pedal adjustments under scrutiny.
Time, thoughts, priorities, all of
which are contained in our minds
throughout every living day, solely
determine the precise moment when
we will take action to maintain
proper care of our instruments.
The accursed 3rd string pull of
the E9th chromatic tuning, with
its history of failures, is a good
example of human nature, complete
with the willingness to endure the
challenges that one .011 string is
capable of delivering at untimely
intervals. This thread is not
suggesting in the least, to prolong
the changing of strings, but rather
is seeking to eliminate premature
breakages, which lead to a varied collection of negative experiences.

Bill H.

posted 01 February 2002 04:09 AM         

------------------
My best,
Ernie

The Official Buddy Emmons Website
www.buddyemmons.com

posted 01 February 2002 04:32 PM         

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I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn the 'Lucky 7', but to understand it. – Spinoza

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A bent string without intuition is empty; intuition without a spent string is blind. – Kant

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Give me a lever long enough, and a fulcrum strong enough, and single-handed I can break a .012. – Archimedes

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Existence precedes oxidation. – Sartre

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Thus string life may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true. - Bertrand Russell

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...if it is not the job of the philosopher, who is it will inquire whether GOLO and the ‘Lucky 7’ are the same thing? – Aristotle

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What I understand by ”the 'Lucky 7'”: a terrible explosive in whose presence everything is in danger. – Nietzsche

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Philosophers have only interpreted flat pitch in various ways -- the point is to change it! – Marx

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The instant characterizes the present as having no past and no future, for in this precisely consists the imperfection of the ephemeral 3rd string. – Kierkegaard

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We must therefore posit a first efficient cause, which everyone understands to be rust. - Thomas Aquinas

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Thus, the more precisely the 3rd string is positioned, the less precisely the failure point is known, and conversely. – Heisenberg

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And finally, a couple of thoughts from persons with opposing views on the subject:

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Each problem that I solved became a rule which served afterwards to solve other problems. - Rene Descartes

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We all agree that your theory is crazy, but is it crazy enough? - Niels Bohr

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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Thomas Alva Edison

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Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. - Wernher Von Braun

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I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it. - Groucho Marx

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78 to go.

[This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 01 February 2002 at 04:35 PM.]

posted 01 February 2002 06:07 PM         

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The present day bent string refuses to die.

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posted 02 February 2002 04:34 AM         

Thank you for refueling my thoughts in regard to recognizing the 3rd
string failures of the past. If I may submit two quotes in part - "tossing out hypotheses without scruple or sentiment" - Inge, seems to fit, as well as,"abandon a system of ideas overnight",quote, Davidson. What does a rock climber, and a steel guitarist
have in common? Absolutely nothing, because one error on the part of the climber, would undoubtedly be his last. The steel guitarist can
go on forever correcting mistakes made along the way. The 3rd finger changer, has been the source of inquiry, and will continue for as long as the universal changer design exists.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 02 February 2002 at 07:59 AM.]

posted 02 February 2002 08:08 AM         

And then I do it again hoping I'll find something and I always do.

If I don't...... maybe that is the answer ! But now I've forgotten what the question was....... D@mm this old guy routine !!

Maybe next time.

posted 02 February 2002 10:34 AM         

Thank you for your candid statement that refers to my thread as one of
the overstressed, and belabored posts. The remarks should prove to
be helpful in the future, when trying to decide what might be of
interest to the majority of forum
members. Ihave observed hundreds of readable posts, submitted by fellow forum members,and like so many others, have enjoyed doing so. Your posts of the past, were of great interest
to me.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 05 February 2002 at 03:55 AM.]

posted 02 February 2002 01:43 PM         

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I'll make him an 011 he can't refuse - Don Corleone

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posted 02 February 2002 03:41 PM         

...no doubt about it at all.

posted 03 February 2002 11:31 AM         

Anyway, my knowledge of scale lengths is only what I have gleened all along in writings, magazines, this forum, and other steelers. From what I can gather, I guess, is
that the longer the scale, the greater the occurence of string breakage. I think this is the general concensus.

I just went out and measured up the U-12 Williams. From endplate to endplate = 29".

From centerline on the tuning-end rollers to
the centerline of the bridge-end rollers = 241/4". She's quite compact.

Hope this clears things up.

posted 07 February 2002 06:32 PM         

Let me get some sleep please,,,talk about a "bent" string...Im bent myself from bending
over this keyboard waiting for the end of this story.

And they say I tell "Long Stories"? who composed this?? the producer of "Gone With The Wind"?? only kidding,,,,dont get yer back up,,,any more info Bill....you have my
home address sent it to the attn of the guy with the "bent string and "bent back" only
kidding again,,,,gee people are so sensitive
cant you see Im smilin??

posted 08 February 2002 04:08 AM         

Thank you for sharing your great humor on this forum. Nothing can be
compared to the benefits derived from some form of trivia, when it is intermingled with something that we can relate to in our daily
lives. Sleep inducement is complex
to say the least. Many thoughts of the day linger in our conscious minds as we turn in for the night. This will prevent the body from sinking into a relaxed state. It is
imperative to counter the effect, and halt whatever is robbing, and haunting your slumber. The only advice that was ever given to me, by a callous individual, was, "don't worry, when you get tired enough, you'll sleep." The process of getting interested in attempting to work out mechanical problems, associated with the pedal steel guitar, helped to relax me at the
end of the day. Amazingly, I found that concentrating on a given idea, could prevent unrelated thoughts from interrupting relaxation. I need to get in more playing time at this point in my life. Subduing the basic problems of constructing a steel guitar that plays well, and is free of tuning defects, is behind me at this time. There is plenty of room for new ideas, and experimentation remaining for the ardent steel guitarist. What is locked securely in the vast musical possibilities of the steel guitar, will remain so, until talented individuals of the future, unleash its full potentiality.

Bill H.

[This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 08 February 2002 at 07:29 AM.]

posted 08 February 2002 07:55 AM         

BTW,,,I can use sleep therapy,,can you help me?? Let me know what your office hours are and I'll bring my own pillow. There is much
to learn regarding your contraption,,its easy
to mis-judge something something that people have not seen or tried out.

I remember people laughing at a young 17 yr old trying to sell a plank of wood screwed to what they called a "toilet seat" those who saw it and heard it ,,,thought this young guy was off the wall,,,,

We'll needless to say,,,,those toilet seat lids with a plank of wood have revolutionized
the music Industry.

Leo Fender Invented the first toilet seat with a plank of wood and named it the Esquire
Telecaster,,,Broadcaster,,,so you see Bill,,,
I dont doubt any one or any thing. This has been a humorous (at times) thread and also one that,,very well be something worthwhile to everyone,,

Need a rep?? Im not 17 anymore,,but I can still be a beleiver,,"WE DONT STOP PLAYING BECAUSE WE GET OLD" "WE GET OLD BECAUSE WE
STOP PLAYING"

Be well and keep "punchin" I give you my sincere respect and good wishes...edited for spelling.

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 08 February 2002 at 08:36 AM.]