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Dennis Manuel Member Posts: 409 |
posted 12 December 2001 06:00 PM
In a previous message Bobbe said that Lloyd was going to post on the Forum and we should all welcome him. So here goes, lets all tell him how much we appreciate his abilities and how much he has contributed to the steel guitar world. Welcome Lloyd. |
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BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
posted 12 December 2001 07:14 PM
Wrong, for right now, Lloyd is only "reading" the forum, Not posting on it. But he may be posting soon. Nobbe |
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Bill Ford Member Posts: 1724 |
posted 12 December 2001 07:42 PM
Mr. Lloyd Green, One of my all time favorite steel players. Made me hunt some licks back when you were with Charlie Pride,I even found a few. LONG LIVE LLOYD GREEN Bill Ford ------------------ |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 12 December 2001 11:07 PM
. [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 12 December 2001 at 11:07 PM.] |
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Ernie Renn Member Posts: 2657 |
posted 13 December 2001 12:52 AM
Welcome, Lloyd! Join in the fun! ------------------ |
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Martin Weenick Member Posts: 294 |
posted 13 December 2001 02:16 AM
I think I heard somewhere that Lloyd has a Masters Degree from College, does anyone know ? Bobbe, you should know, or maybe Smiley. Does anyone know when he might release some of the songs he owns. I dont have near enough of Lloyd's music even though I own everything he has released. I sure wish he would come on the Forum. ------------------ |
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ScoobyDoo unregistered Posts: 294 |
posted 13 December 2001 05:40 AM
We gotta wait til he finishes his typing school. |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 13 December 2001 09:28 AM
When I heard Charlie Pride Live At Panther Hall doing Kawliga for the first time, I hit the next payphone and called Lloyd: "Hey, you heard that guy in Fort Worth playing with Charlie ??" He replied: "Yeah man, ain't he somethin' ??" He kidded me along for awhile and then told me CP had flown him to TX for the show and I learned a vital lesson in LG recognition. My other favorite LG story bears repeating: Nowadays I feel much more comfortable knowing that there are a million Lloyd Green fans who hear what I hear; Byrd on Pedals !! Best Regards, Paul |
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Ray Montee Member Posts: 4090 |
posted 15 December 2001 05:57 PM
LLoyd Green....just finished watching and enjoying your E9th Video with Tommy White. It was great! Altho' I have nearly every album you've done and even your autograph from the 1978 St.Louis Convention, I've not been able to play a single phrase that sounds ANYTHING like Lloyd Green. Sarah Jory does a whole bag full of your tricks yet after all the years I've played, not a single thing out of your vast musical library. I'm at a loss! It amazed me how many quick BACK SLANTS you throw into a tune; also caught a few forward slants. That ought to really mess with the minds of those straight bar position, devoted pedal kicking, steel guitar pickers. I realized you use a lot more Knee Lever action than I had ever anticipated. Tell me please. When you sit down to play a tune, any tune, DO YOU THINK in the E9th mode, A curious mind just wants to know. THANK YOU! By the way: Man who runs behind automobile gets exhausted! |
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lakeshrk Member Posts: 127 |
posted 18 December 2001 08:35 PM
L.G.,solo on JJ Cale song Hey Baby,makes you want to take up steel guitar,makes you want to give up steel guitar. ls |
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Joe Delaronde Member Posts: 901 |
posted 18 December 2001 09:36 PM
Please, Lloyd!!!!! Joe |
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Moon in Alaska Member Posts: 1155 |
posted 19 December 2001 09:10 PM
Lloyd --- I am 70 years old and have been enjoying your music for more years than I like to admit too !!! I have your Video with Tommy and have played it many times !! I also have the "Steel Summit with the Masters" and really enjoyed you guys talking about the old days !! Good Luck and keep up the good work !! ------------------ |
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Tony Orth Member Posts: 428 |
posted 20 December 2001 09:37 AM
Mr. Green, I hope that you can feel comfortable joining us here on the forum. It would truly be a great gift to all of us in the learning process...... and that would be all of us. Tony Orth |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 20 December 2001 12:30 PM
Welcome to the Forum. [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 20 December 2001 at 12:43 PM.] |
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Anders Brundell Member Posts: 493 |
posted 29 December 2001 03:10 PM
Lloyd! I snail mailed a picture heavy data CD to Weldon Myrick some time ago, and you, Charlie McCoy and a lot of other people are on a lot of pics on that CD too. So terrorize Weldon a little to get a copy of it. Nothing is copyrighted, so share and use as you like. (I donīt think itīs yet permitted to snail mail to USA after sept 11:th.) Thanks a lot for Furuvik, and donīt forget to mail me some time! Regards! Anders Brundell, Falun, Sweden |
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Steve Kritz Member Posts: 98 |
posted 29 December 2001 05:24 PM
Several years ago,I read a magazine interview that Lloyd gave and was fascinated by his openiness,however,he said one thing in that interview that I live by to this day.So much that the expression is framed in large 1" letters and hangs on my studio wall.The question in the article pertained to "The Green Style"and how it has evolved over the years and what has made it so distinct.In the answer lay this bit of Lloyd Green wisdom"IN SIMPLICITY LIES ELAGANCE"I think I know what he's saying but I'd love for him to convey this in his own way to new players. Jeff Newman said "the hardest thing you will ever do on that guitar is learn not to play but when you do play,make it pretty".Lloyd,I hope you feel led to join us. |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 29 December 2001 10:23 PM
Funny that he said that. LG is of course an icon, and deserves to be one, but I never felt his playing was simple. I always felt the clever phrasing, often around the beat but not quite on it, and the sophisticated E9 chord runs and voicings were anything but simple. Also, I never felt his playing was sparse. To my ears, he crams alot of stuff into his playing. At least his instrumentals are that way. I guess when playing commerical fills and solos, he keeps it more accessible to non-musicians. But his solo albums, are not simple. I think that there is no one harder to emulate than LG because of the nuance in his phrasings and voicings, and there are often quickly moving chords and single note runs that have these nuances. In fact, I consider his instrumental work to generally be the most complex recorded E9 playing there is. Oh well, JMO. [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 29 December 2001 at 10:32 PM.] |
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Anders Brundell Member Posts: 493 |
posted 30 December 2001 02:58 PM
Lloyd had a seminar in Furuvik, Sweden, in august 2000, and he was a demanding and very inspiring teacher. What he played was probably simple for him to do, but not for anyone else. My guitar have many more pedals and levers than his, yet he plays much more than I will ever do. He can play what I could swear is impossible to play with his fairly simple set-up; but now Iīve seen it and thus have to accept it. Lloyd is probably extremely creative and innovative, and breaks all "laws" in his way. A short talk between him and me could very well be: AB: -You canīt play like that on that set-up. LG: -I just did. Anders, still struggling with the basics after 20+ yrs of desperate practise. |
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Winnie Winston Member Posts: 542 |
posted 01 January 2002 03:22 AM
I will join in on this one.... a number of years ago I almost wrote a book with Lloyd Green. It was going to happen, I was ready to go to Nashville and sit with hgim, and then something came up in Lloyd's life, and the vist was posponed, and the next year I move to New Zealand. Sigh... But I did have some tablature from him and I will summarize like this: Listen to Buddy, and you say, "how did he do that?" Listen to Lloyd, and you say, "I can probably figure that out." Both assessments are wrong. When I was just learning, I got some of Buddy's tabs. The impossible became very simple, and lots of pieces fell into place, and my playing reached another plateau. What I learned was immediately applicible in MANY places. When I say with the tab from Lloyd, I found out that what he does is amzingly difficult and while I learned it, it was not useful to me in playing anything else. Lloyd works by "tone." We all know that there are any number of places to get the same note on the steel. Lloyd gets the one that sounds the best. Sometimes it is in THIS position, and sometimes it is in THAT position... I found no consistency. And the grips! Some very interesting finger speads! So I managed to lear a few pieces that I was able to play "like Lloyd" but they didn't help me in learning any of the other things I wanted to learn of his. He takes each tune as unique, and does his magic with it. And the next time he plays it, he might get it in a totally different place-- and still sound the same-- because he knows where all those notes are. And if you're trying to learn some of those really older cuts-- godd luck! They were done with his "fingertip" Sho-bud and that was tuned to a D9th... So I'm banging my head trying to figure out that lick in G and I KNOW it sounds like it has open strings, but how...? Easy-- to have open strings in G if you are in a D9th tuning! Once I realized THAT-- and tried figuring it out in A, it got a bit easier. That all said... there are many levels to learn things on. The thing you can learn from Lloyd is his amazing sense of melody and his ways of getting from this note to that note. Don't worry about HOW he does it (exactly) -- just work on getting that TONE and FEEL. My 2 cents! Winnie |
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Roger Edgington Member Posts: 999 |
posted 01 January 2002 10:01 AM
LLoyd has been one of my favorite players for years. It's nice to hear the melody and the tone and technique is awsome. I had forgotten how much influence he had on my playing until I put on one of his LP albums the other day. Certainly one of my heroes. |
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PAUL WARNIK Member Posts: 1417 |
posted 03 January 2002 11:40 AM
When I was a growing teen-all my friends had posters on their bedroom walls of Jimi Hendrix-Pink Floyd-Eric Clapton and so on-I had the poster of Lloyd Green-he was then and still is MY HERO [This message was edited by PAUL WARNIK on 03 January 2002 at 11:41 AM.] |
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Reggie Duncan Member Posts: 1862 |
posted 05 January 2002 06:49 AM
Mr. Winston.......You said it all! |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 05 January 2002 08:34 PM
Hi Winnie, And thank you [and Bill Keith as well] for putting together your collective all-in-one comprehensive "Pedal Steel Bible", that certainly was just about all any of us had at that time to point us right and shed some light on such a mysterious and seductive instrument. Could you explain or expound more on what the "fingertip" Sho-Bud was? Also, [and this is a real shot in the dark], I'm trying to find what album of Lloyd's has the song on it - "AND THE MONKEY CURLED HIS TAIL AROUND THE FLAGPOLE......." - this isn't the name of the song, but the melody starts out with that familiar 'monkey-flagpole' thing. This entire album is on an old cassette in which the tape has been broken, and undecipherable lettering too, and so I'd love to buy this LG album [maybe from Tom Bradshaw] again; but I'm at a loss as to the title. I know the 'monkey' song may have been on more than one LP, but any help at all Thanks Winnie & everyone, ChipsAhoy |
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Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
posted 05 January 2002 09:03 PM
Chip, you may be thinking of "Show Me The Way To The Circus" from "The Hit Sounds of Lloyd Green And His Steel Guitar". |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 05 January 2002 10:20 PM
Thanks Jim, good friend... That's enough for me to go on now. I'll look around and see if it's still available. The entire album was simply splendid...I do miss it. ChipsAhoy |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 05 January 2002 10:21 PM
Thanks Jim, good friend... That's enough for me to go on now. I'll look around and see if it's still available. The entire album was simply splendid...I do miss it. ChipsAhoy |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 05 January 2002 10:26 PM
Whoooops...sorry for the double post; but I got the 60 second warning again about the 'lines being tied up' and try back in 60 seconds. CF |
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Bob Hoffnar Member Posts: 4278 |
posted 06 January 2002 12:10 AM
Lloyd, When I was first playing I went to one of those weekend steel guitar college things in Nashville. I was talking to you for a little bit. At one point you looked up at me and said that if I really wanted to understand the steel I should learn how to play any phrase and have it sound the same on 3 different places on the neck. That little bit of advice opened some very big doors for me. You where very gracious and helpful even after I told you much I liked your playing on "Nashville Skyline".... It meant allot to me. Thanks, Bob [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 06 January 2002 at 02:55 PM.] |
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Joe Henry Member Posts: 909 |
posted 06 January 2002 03:25 PM
Mr. Lloyd Green. Probably my favorite steel player that I donīt try to copy licks from anymore. I just love listening to him, to the beautiful MUSIC he CREATES. I used to try for hours to figure out some of Lloydīs tunes and sometimes, with a lot of patience, found out how he must have played it but found that it just wasnīt comfortable for me to play at all. (Of course, for him it is because he has been doing it all his life. Letīs not forget that weīre talking about one of the innovators of the pedal steel guitar who came up with all that stuff himself. It would be interesting to hear what Lloyd considers his own influences.) And, just like Winnie said, I couldnīt think of a way to apply it to other musical situations, as opposed to some licks by Buddy Emmons or Jimmy Day or Buddy Charleton or Ralph Mooney that are somehow more "generic". Also, I doubt that there are many players using the exact same copedant that Lloyd has, and if thereīs anyone, I think itīs safe to say they do it mostly because they want to copy him, unlike the Emmons or Day or Sho~Bud setup, which are really practical for many reasons. In fact, Lloyd is very popular among PSG players over here where most of them choose to play E9 only. But in my humble opinion, it is far easier to learn to play C6 than to try to play E9 like Lloyd. Itīs just too personal, I think he said in an interview once there are a lot of his emotions involved in his playing, and how can anybody else even try to duplicate that? Anyway, listening to Lloydīs playing can make me smile when all the world around looks grey... |
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Ricky Davis Moderator Posts: 6522 |
posted 06 January 2002 10:56 PM
Ok I just have to tell this one little story; of the many many stories that Lloyd told me when I visited with him on that glorious day just before Christmas. It starts with a question?? and I'll wait for answers(yeah "that" stupid little game). First..."Kevin Owens" your not invited to play....ah.....ha....LOL. Oh and if your not familiar with Lloyds Copedant...quickly.....1;2;3 pedals are regular emmons setup. LKL raises 1st a half tone. LKR raises 4th and 8th a half tone. RKR lowers 2nd half and full tone. RKR lowers 8th a half tone. Ok the question.?? "Do you know why Lloyd "Raises" 4 and 8 on the(and it was very hard for me to play this knee that way..ha)Left Knee "Right"????? Story follows answers here. |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 07 January 2002 12:09 AM
Ricky, if I remember correctly, and there's a good chance I probably don't, it seems that the reason Lloyd put that change there was because that particular knee lever wasn't already doing something, or at least it wasn't a change that he wanted to keep. I do remember hearing that Lloyd first used that change on D.I.V.O.R.C.E. Lem |
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Fred Jack Member Posts: 832 |
posted 07 January 2002 10:40 AM
Joe Henry.. I guess I never thought of Ralph Mooney's licks being generic... regards, fred |
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Winnie Winston Member Posts: 542 |
posted 07 January 2002 04:38 PM
Haven't checked on in a while... To answer the question about "Fingertip" shobud. It was an earlier model with a different changer-- sort of a cross between a push-pul and a normal all-pull... In the fingertip model the head of the changer (here the string attaches) had a threaded rod attached just under where the string attached. This rod went back through a hole in the block which holds the changer. The rod had two knurled collars-- one in BACK of the changer (indide the frame) and one on the outside of the frame. It was these collars that were used for setting the pedal tuning. The inside one moved BACK when the changer lowered, and the outside ones moved forward. The rods pulling the changer itself were NOT adjustable and all slack and inconsistencies were taken up bu springs against collars-- like the push-pull Emmons. It could, obviously only lower to a single note and raise to a single not. A Double raise had to be adjusted by a screw-collar underneath. I have seen only one very closely-- Bill Keith has a S12 from shobud that was a fingertip model. The underside was a real rat's nest! OK? Winnie |
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PAUL WARNIK Member Posts: 1417 |
posted 07 January 2002 08:44 PM
I just talked to Junior Brown on the phone and he said that he is going into the studio to cut a song with Lloyd in the next few days-Lloyd also co-wrote a song with Junior on Junior's latest CD release "Mixed Bag"-the tune is called "Our First Bluebonnet Spring" |
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Ricky Davis Moderator Posts: 6522 |
posted 08 January 2002 03:06 AM
Hey Lem; that's pretty much right pal. Lloyd had the idea for that change(to raise the E a 1/2 tone); and at the time there was only 3 knees on his guitar. So that was the availiable position for that change and this is where it went and stayed simply cause that's the way he got used to it; and has never changed his knees around. This story amazes me; because Lloyd has stuck with something for "ever" and has always made due with what he had on there....."AND THEN SOME"....my gosh; he can do more with hardly anything on there; than most folks with a bazzilion Knees... And I'm the one always saying how I like to change things around; to keep it interesting and keep my mind thinkin'......but if I would spend more time thinkin' about adding to what I know instead of something different....maybe I'll get somewhere.........ah....ha.......But it is a fun phsyco learning aid....and I'm into that sorta thing.   Ricky |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 08 January 2002 03:23 AM
Thanks Winnie, ChipsAhoy |
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Joe Henry Member Posts: 909 |
posted 08 January 2002 09:01 AM
Hey Fred, I guess I used the wrong term. I just meant itīs a lot easier (at least for me) to play Mooney-type licks to a tune where they havenīt originally been on than it would be to play Lloyd Green licks. Mostly, itīs kind of hard for me to imagine those out of their original context. I know you hold Mr. Moon in very high regard and so do I. Regards, Joe H. |
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Lem Smith Member Posts: 1501 |
posted 08 January 2002 03:06 PM
Ricky, I agree with ya 100%. I've often thought how much better I would be if I would put more time in actually practicing, instead of just thinking about how much the practicing would help!  Lloyd is definitely amazing in what he can do with what most would consider a "simple" setup. Then, add in the fact that he is left handed, but plays right handed, it's absolutely incredible what he's able to do with a pedal steel guitar. Reckon just how far us right handed people would get on a steel if we tried playing left handed!!! I doubt I could get past tuning it!!! Lem |
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Jim Phelps Member Posts: 2936 |
posted 08 January 2002 03:12 PM
. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 06:46 PM.] |
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Fred Jack Member Posts: 832 |
posted 08 January 2002 05:08 PM
Joe Henry...I agree with what you say! I guess we all have our heroes and the Moon is one of mine.There are many others too... No offence intended Joe...regards, fred
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