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Topic: Latest Incredible Bobbe Seymour Mystery!!!!!
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Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 18 September 2004 11:29 AM
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Just got out bid, last min.don.t need no parts after all!! ha ha , darn can't win nothing!! Gonna have to buy direct!!! farris |
Bob Lawrence Member From: Lwr Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada
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posted 18 September 2004 11:35 AM
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Buddy,Here is another MCI that you played in 1985.Where is this beautiful Guitar now? ------------------
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Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 18 September 2004 11:52 AM
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bobbes probaly got it!!for about 6000.00 or |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 18 September 2004 11:53 AM
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bobbes probaly got it!!for about 6000.00 or you can buy it on ebay for 3000.00 sorry BOBBE!!!! FARRIS |
Ron Steenwijk Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 18 September 2004 11:58 AM
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Nice small picture -------
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Buddy Emmons Member From: Hermitage, TN USA
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posted 18 September 2004 01:18 PM
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Bob, that's the first guitar the MCI company built for me and the one I gave to Don Everly. |
John Lazarus Member From: Tucson, AZ.
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posted 18 September 2004 03:03 PM
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Bobbe, You had a heck of a week's end for sales including my purchase. Let me know when you've shipped my guitar. Thanks! |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 18 September 2004 04:30 PM
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Whatever you bought, I can suggest that you'll have no correction when you say that it was owned by Bobbe.I remember passing on Don West's Sierra even though he offered it to me at half price when I talked to him in AZ before he knew how ill he was, and gave me permission to continue using his name in case things "went south" for him.. ( we laughed about it at the time...) He kept his Emmons his whole life. I'm more inclined to Sho~Buds anyhow. Nice guy DW.. EJL |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 18 September 2004 08:57 PM
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quote: Danny Bentley just sold the two MSAs,
Oh no!....what's Brandella gonna' bench press now? |
Jimmie Martin Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 19 September 2004 05:53 AM
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are you saying that bobbe is sick eric? |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 19 September 2004 11:06 AM
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No. Don was. He passed away a while after our conversation. He taught me a lot about what's really important in being a steel player.Actually, it kind of brings to mind the kind of dull superficiality of wanting to own a guitar "because it was somebody else's". Other superfluities beg I guess.. Damn. Of all the guitars I might want, I would want it because it wanted to be mine.... Selah.. EJL [This message was edited by Eric West on 19 September 2004 at 08:04 PM.] |
Jimmie Martin Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 19 September 2004 12:42 PM
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it aint the ax or who it belonged to. its the player. |
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 19 September 2004 02:17 PM
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when I go to buy a guitar I don`t care what brand it is,what color or who owned it ,I just care about the TONE and playability of the instrument.I also don`t care how much person I`m buying it from ,payed for it,if it`s worth to ME what seller is asking for.Db ------------------
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Drew Howard Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 19 September 2004 02:57 PM
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Yeah, but if Buddy owned the guitar it might still have a fingerprint smudge or ciggy burn or carved initials on it. "Leavings" from famous people! Cool!sorry, I'm off my meds, Drew ------------------ Fessenden D-10 8+8 / Magnatone S-8 (E13)
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Paddy Long Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 19 September 2004 03:52 PM
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Buddy I'm guessing that your red and black MCI is the same guitar as the one your sitting behind on the cover of the MCI catalogue ?? Maybe if I paint the top deck Red, on my Black and Grey, Bobbe might make me an offer I can't refuse!! Ha - fat chance, there is no way I would sell that beauty, I've been playing it for too long. |
Frank Freniere Member From: Palos Park IL
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posted 19 September 2004 06:13 PM
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Whew! That was a long thread...So who knew Don Everly played the steel? There must be a story behind that one, sensei. |
Frank Parish Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA
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posted 19 September 2004 07:36 PM
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I could be wrong but I think that was the guitar I seen Buddy playing in a studio here in Nashville somewhere around 84-86 doing a session. I was there with John Shepherd. I think he told me it had a BL 605 on the front neck and a 705 on the back. How close am I Buddy? |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 19 September 2004 07:37 PM
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Robert Martin, you have never been so correct, It makes absolutly difference who owned the guitar. The greatest guitars I have are the ones that were owned by unknown players that took very good care of them and didn't play them to death. These are the ones I look for to stock my store. Most "star owned" guitars have been pretty well "played up", not taken very good care of,and if played on the road, even worse. Notice that when I say a guitar was owned by a certain player, the price is never increased because of this fact. This is because the guitar is probably more worn and beat than a "normal" guitar loved by some non-pro. When I state that a guitar was obtained from a pro, just remember, he sold it for a reason. Why? He obviously may have thought he could get a better one? It didn't meet his standards? Who knows. I feel the best used guitars I've obtained over the years for my customers were guitars from older players that may have had several guitars in their collection, hardly ever played them and just wanted a change of scenery in the bedroom. I get several like this from time to time and now have a waiting list from many pro players that are looking for a great older guitar in new condition. This is what I want in my "playing inventory". Not a guitar that was owned by someone because I'm a fan of his/hers. I'm sure most of you can understand this logic. Robert Martin, you are a good thinker! This post doesn't mean that I'm not a fan of Buddy's, I've known him since 1955 and have admired his tone, technique, taste. This admiration will continue from now on, as it does for all great players and many non-pros alike. I am a steel guitar lover and this is one of the greatest. I'll continue to promote, play, sell, teach, design, write about, preserve history and probably build steel guitars until I can no longer do so. I'm here to help all I can. bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 19 September 2004 at 07:47 PM.] |
chas smith Member From: Encino, CA, USA
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posted 19 September 2004 08:15 PM
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quote: it aint the ax or who it belonged to. its the player.
Robert, I disagree. I want to believe that when a player expends so much energy and concentration into the instrument that he or she is playing, that some of that spirit or energy becomes part of the instrument. I have some instruments that were owned and played by my heroes, and every time that I touch them, I'm reminded of the "history" of the guitar. It's a very powerful and humbling moment.
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 19 September 2004 09:26 PM
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I'd rather not sell or stock worn out guitars. No matter who wore them out. Nice thought though. bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 19 September 2004 at 09:31 PM.] |
Dan Tyack Member From: Seattle, WA USA
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posted 19 September 2004 09:45 PM
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All my guitars have sounded better the longer I have owned them (and played them).THis is MUCH more significant with acoustic instruments. I have a dobro I bought a couple of years ago from a great dobro player who didn't play it much (before then it was not played much either). It was an average 70s OMI instrument, set up nicely, but nothing spectacular. Now it doesn't sound like the best dobro in the world, but it's really, really nice sounding, much better than when I bought it. I have noticed subtle changes in the electric instruments. You really see this in the classical instrument world. The last thing one would want for a Strad or Guenerni violin would be for it to sit in a closet. It needs to be played, or it loses it's voice. That's one reason why collectors lend their million dollar violins or cellos to great musicians (to increase their value, through being played by great players). I personally believe there is some magic in the Blade or in Lloyd's old LDG. |
David Mason Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 04:20 AM
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I think there are two issues here: one, the physics involved in the "relaxation" or "break-in" of the woods used to make the instruments. As Mr. Tyack mentioned, this is far more noticeable in acoustic instruments. I would instinctively guess that in solidbody electrics, lighter woods like basswood or poplar might show more of this effect over time than hard rock maple. To find out how pronounced this effect was in a pedal steel guitar, you would have to do a soundwave analysis comparing the vibrations of a well-played old steel to another identical steel, made with wood from the same tree, that had sat in the proverbial little old lady's closet for 40 years. The second issue has to do with the supernatural or mystical qualities imparted to an instrument over the course of time, from usage by a "master." Obviously, this is important to some people - one of Jerry Garcia's guitars (NO NOT A STEEL) sold for $800,000. This belief in the ability of bits of wood and metal to absorb "vibes" or "spirit" is the same type of belief that fuels voodoo dolls, crystal therapy, rabbit's feet, the Wailing Wall, pilgrimages to Loch Ness and a baseball pitcher's "lucky socks." I personally believe that this sort of effect exists only in the mind of the beholder, but if you fervently believe that it does work, then it still may help your playing. I'm not the least bit convinced that in a controlled study, musicians or anybody else presented with two beat-to-death Stratocasters could identify which one was Stevie Ray Vaughn's, without prior knowledge. Maybe the next time Bobbe gets one of "Buddy's steels", he could try this experiment? What if you buy an instrument that has been played constantly by a hack for 40 years? Does it make you play worse? |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 05:19 AM
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This is funny,my 93 ford pickup has taken me to a restarunt for breakfast for 8yrs.early in the A M,it goes out to the road,turns to the right,and 10miles down a winding road. many mornings i'm not even awake,and it takes me!!If i dicide to go to the left one day,man i have to wrestle that wheel,it don't want to do it!mabe it's JUST ME huh.!!!!! |
Andy Greatrix Member From: Edmonton Alberta
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posted 20 September 2004 05:39 AM
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When I get a new (or new to me) instrument, It's me that has to be broken in to it. Once I get used to that instrument, I play it better. Every instrument has it's own feel. That's my take on this subject. |
Peter Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 20 September 2004 06:08 AM
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When instruments are manufactured by hand, there will always be a variation in quality. If an instrument is of a lower quality variation, it will not be used a lot and eventually disappear. If an instrument is of extreme high quality, people will look after it and it will become a "classic" in the end. Usually the "stars" will find those instruments and use them.Even Bobbe admits this. His website says: quote: "If you don't see the guitar you're looking for, then call me directly. Often times, the hottest guitars never make it to the website because I have a waiting list of people looking for them. So give me a call and let me know what your dream guitar is. I may just be able to find it for you!"
So what you see on his website are the leftovers. I wouldn't buy leftovers, no matter how cheap they are. ------------------ Peter den Hartogh 1978 Emmons S10 P/P; 1977 Sho-Bud D10 ProIII Custom; 1975 Fender Artist S10; Remington U12; 1947 Gibson BR4; Internationally Accredited 3D Animation Academy
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 September 2004 06:49 AM
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Peter, is this why you bought a fake Remington from Gruhen guitars a few years ago? Ha! |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 06:57 AM
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I bought a remington shot gun from a man,bird hunting he just couldn't miss.with it.well, i ain't hit nothing yet!!! Darn thought sure it was the gun!!! |
Smiley Roberts Member From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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posted 20 September 2004 06:59 AM
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AHA!! The ratings,on the forum,go up again! ------------------ ~ ~ ©¿© It don't mean a thang, mm if it ain't got that twang. www.ntsga.com |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 20 September 2004 07:52 AM
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A 'bump' for this amusing thread, 'though Lord knows it hardly need one..... |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 08:00 AM
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good morning RODGER,i just went to Nashville steel guitars,xxxrated,don't hardly got no guitars left.Man i hope BUDDY is getting a cut on all this!! bout sold all the seconds off!! guess the good ones are still in the back huh! you de man BOBBE!!! farris |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 September 2004 08:10 AM
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Yes, I guess with my warped sense of humor, I really do set myself up for being picked on by you guys, however don't stop. When you quit picking on me, I'll know something is wrong. Thanks, you bunch of silly nuts! You too Peter! Now, do I owe you $1.72 or do you owe me this amount? |
Peter Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 20 September 2004 08:22 AM
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Bobbeeee! I also bought a fake 1978 Emmons S10 for only $300. And a fake brand new Fender Artist S10 for about $75. And a fake Sho-Bud D10 ProIII Custom and a fake 1947 Br4 Gibson Lapsteel. And they all sound awesome to me. Bobbe, the first picture on your website, which says: "Click picture to enlarge", is that fake or real?
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HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 20 September 2004 09:11 AM
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real.......real expensive.... |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 09:58 AM
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HEY BOBBE,what happened to VW BUG,mabe it got traded for EXPENSES??keep it live boys!what do you think? |
Charles Turpin Member From: Mexico, Missouri, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 10:28 AM
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I bought a S12 Zum steel 20 years ago and have played all over northern Missouri. I might have played a little Buddy Emmons licks on it and i might have played a little JOhn Hughy licks on it . I might have even played a lot of Lloyd Greens licks on it and Paul Franklin licks but does that make that guitar any less worth anything just cause the legends didnt play it. Then i bought a double 10 , 5 years ago. Is it worth nothing just cause a great didn't play it. Buddy you are one of my heros but i don't feel anyone ought to sell an instrument just cause some one else played it anyway. To me what is more important is the knowledge that went into making the instrument.What is so special about that guitar that isn't special about other guitars.My guitars means the world to my family for the memories we have had and the fun we have had with each other.But anyway Bobbie and every steel player that sells stills ought to try and not use such tactics as this to sell a steel. I got another friend that use to say Johnny Cox owned that steel then the next time. That is the first steel a person built for John Hughy. But i just think to myself ," yep" but they ain't playing it now, and I'm not jamming with Hughy or Jamming with JOhnny, hehehe you are behind it now. ------------------
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Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 September 2004 10:42 AM
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YEP,i know,don't know who owned the old sho-bud i got from BOBBE,but i've pushed every button on it! it still want do nutting!! |
Joe Alterio Member From: Fishers, Indiana
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posted 20 September 2004 10:45 AM
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To me, I can see paying $$$ for a guitar that one of your heroes played....I would love to have one of Red Rhodes' old guitars....especially the Fender he recorded with in the early '70s and/or the MCI he toured with in the '90s. I probably would hardly play it....but it is just something I would love to have because his music meant something to me and continues to influence me. Now, to pay extra $$$ for a guitar that your hero played that you intend to gig with and will not keep preserved, that's a foolish buy, IMO. Joe (sooo.....does anyone know where Red's guitars are today?)[This message was edited by Joe Alterio on 20 September 2004 at 10:47 AM.] |
Peter Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 20 September 2004 11:46 AM
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Bobbe, your site is STILL giving the INCORRECT information, despite the notification given by the owner of this topic. quote: EMCI ------ 8 Pedals - 5 Knees Incredible condition. I originally purchased this guitar from Buddy Emmons in the late ninties with no pickups. I installed the rare Lawrence 805 pickups. To my amazement, this guitar sounds as good as any all pull guitar you could ever imagine.$2550.
Boobie, are you going to rectify this? I wouldn't want to buy another fake. |
BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 September 2004 11:58 AM
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As I stated previously, I charge what a guitar is worth and what I may have in it. I have never raised the price of a guitar because of what or who played it. Some guys just want to know the history of what they are buying and I think I owe them that. I have the canceled check that I gave for the red MCI and the signature on the back of who I bought it from, when,(1989) and the ser. number of the guitar. This will be of primary interest to the new owner of this great guitar. I refuse to have this wonderful sounding work of art turned into more fodder for this forum to argue over. I respect the guitar to much. (however, it is fun to argue over it , just a little). Thanks guys, bobbe P.S. Remember, the history of a guitar may be important to the new buyer, I always try to pass this information to the new owner. He is buying the past, present and future of the guitar, not just the present. When its bought, its all his/hers. Isn't life wonderful? Get out there and live every bit of it.
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 20 September 2004 12:02 PM
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Peter, you are killin' me , again! But I love it. Ha Ha! As I stated before, this guitar has been sold. Its past history wasn't a selling point at all to who bought it. Good guitar? You bet, all of the MCI family of guitars are great. fake bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 20 September 2004 at 12:09 PM.] |