once and for all i know that it isn't build

how many times must i explain it?

Ray,

don't you think so if it is that the lashley's will come up with there next excuses or so?

thanks again for your suggestion

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 09:55 AM.]

quote:

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...you could retreave his money and some for bob and the site.

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1. No guitar was ever built for Cor. When Cor cancelled his order, it was taken off the "build list."

2. This guitar was not a "custom built" guitar by any since of the word. It was just a standard Emmons LeGrande III. The only thing "custom" about this guitar was the $4500.00 price tag he paid for it!

3 Cor's guitar is not sitting on the floor at the Emmons Guitar Company, or any place else for that matter. Again, Cor's guitar was never built, and it's not going to be unless someone happens to call in and order a guitar "exactly" like the one Cor ordered.

This is not rocket science guys, Cor paid for a new Emmons LeGrande guitar, then had to cancel his order. However, he never received a refund. Since I'm was Emmons dealer, I ask Ron to send me Cor's guitar so I could sell it for him and hopefully, get back at least some of his money. Ron can't send me Cor's guitar, because it was never built, and I seriously doubt it ever will be.

Cor doesn't want a new Emmons guitar now, he just wants his money back, and like many others here, perhaps some sort of communication from Ron Lashley would be welcome too. So far, Cor hasn't received either one.

Farris, just so you'll know, none of this is based speculation, this is based on actual phone call conversations with Ron, and is all FACT! There's no "maybe" anything about it.

Some folks here seem to be worried about using the name "Emmons" in thier posts, or don't like seeing it. Fact of the matter is, the company is called Emmons Guitar Company by Lashley, Inc. and that's all there is too it. this has absolutely nothing to do with "Buddy Emmons" whatsoever, or any other Emmons name however many there may be. To even think otherwise is nothing less than pure mental gymnastics!

This is about a steel guitar company, and the current owner(s), and Cor not receiveing the guitar he paid for, or a refund for same.

There's a lot of guys here now offering some very good suggestions and information, and I'm hoping that will continue until there's a resolution to this matter. The Emmons guitar is a fabulous guitar, and this has nothing to do with the product in or of itself. Is Cor the only victum here? Not by a long shot! But that's all I'm going to say about it.

[This message was edited by Danny Hullihen on 09 November 2004 at 01:39 PM.]

All the questions you asked have already been answered eariler in this post, some several times.

If memory serves,
He paid in either Netherlands Gulden or Euros around 2 years ago.

Since then, thanks to "the powers that be",
the dollar has dropped from around one to one with the euro,

To around $1.28 to the euro.. a pathetic exchange rate. IMHO.

Which means if he gets a USA payment of dollars NOW, he loses 20%+ in the conversion...

If he were to buy NOW with the same $4,500 in the usa,
then he will realize aproximately the same value as
he had at the time he transfered the cash.

So he is actually better off buying something and shipping it over,
because it's value will be higher, than cash. even with a import duty, he could sell it for more over there.

Ok one other thing.
Cor what was the spec of this guitar? :
levers, pedals, necks, copedent etc.
What is supposedly custom about it.
Just to get this on record here.

If it is 8 + 4 Emmons or Day, then it is a straight ahead vanila D-10 steel.

And if it was never built, saying it must be sold to another as a custom unit is a spurious arguement at best.

Maybe we can use a psudonym for the company in question.
I duh know, mebe, Weasels-R-Us. it has a certain ring to it.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 11:43 AM.]

keeping the company alive, let them take my money,close this thread and wait till the next one comes up here with the same sort of experience?

ooh' and b0b be sure you get a great donation from me if it solved. no problem!

and David your right i know that i would loss because of curency today.
but i don't want a emmons

ooh david more to edit:

well okay i ordered that time a natural birdseye maple mica d10 with 8 to 5 franklin on the fourth counterforce on both
humbuckers on both chrome backplate behind the emmons logo and chrome fretboards.

let me come up with another thing here who from you here wants a emmons D10 ?

order one and pay me your guitar is already paid by me.
i don't think you guys will order one by lashley are you ?

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 11:38 AM.]

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 11:52 AM.]

In other words, they'd be holding $9000 (on one unbuilt guitar) for (at least) a short period of time, until they were able to turn loose of Cor's portion. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that was my understanding of it, based on what Danny H. posted several weeks ago.

but let it be said that i found this all as a very bad busyness.

That were likely sold on another guitar.

They seem too be stuborn to just refund it,

Because THEY seem to feel put out for reasons no one else can possibly fathom.

And that can not possibly be based on N.C or US. law.

If they get the other money from another purchaser, they apparently would then pay him with it
i.e. take from Peter to pay Paul

Seeming]y ignoring the facts that :

Long ago and without a doubt a steel of a close enough set up,
using the parts previously earmarked for Cor's place on the build list,
was built and sold to someone else.

And the money for this steel seemingly went somewhere. more parts or saleries etc ; perhaps.

But NOT to Cor... because the steel was APPARENTLY
not the EXACT copedent or color as his order....

Of course this ignores the fact that parts is parts...
if it wasn't shipped the parts are in their posesion.
They have lost nothing, another buyer or buyer wil undoubtedlt buy steels using the exact same parts.

It is illogical that the parts for 1 fully loaded
10+10 D-12 steel ,
could not all be sold through the purchase of 2 D-10s.....
it's not lik ethere isn't usually a waiting list...
somebody already has been playing a steel or steels built with the exact same parts earmorked for Cor's steel.

And apparently ignoring the fact the poor guy was seriously injured in a car accident and can't play anymore.
They apparently don't give a flying ***** about epople.

So much for christian charity... DUH.
Who cares he's from Holland, they're too liberal there,
and too far away to matter.

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Cor what was the copedent and spec for this instrument?
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What did you order that is so HARD to find another buyer for...?

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 01:13 PM.]

ooh and above i wrote the color and the extra options

but why was ron jr telling me at the end of may 2004 that the guitar was ready and when i got help from the great respected Danny hullihen saying that it wasn't build
maybe he wasn't expected it that i got some help from danny.

but anyway in my eyes it has nothing to do with a new policy and by the time i send there the money they didn't have a policy like this
also not a orderform or whatever.

so to me it sounds al very strange.

cor

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 01:11 PM.]

I can't conceive of any company that values it's reputation that would deliberately ignore an accusation such as this!

Put the whole thing in one place all at once please.

So far only a Franklin pedal seems the only slightly odd thing,
and that is only 1 bellcrank, rod and tuner away from the Big E set up.
Nothing particularly custom about it.

Yep, Gene, right on the mark.
Pride cometh before a fall me thinks.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 01:19 PM.]

D10 natural birdseye mica finish
8 floor pedals
5knee's
counterforce on both necks
humbuckers
chrome fretboards and chrome backplate behind the emmons logo

so no more questions about the guitar looks like i'm sick of it

maybe they think they are the only smart ones

8+5 and counterforce, mica... Emmons copedent
since when is this custom...

Seems like they put out these same specs weekly....

What? The chrome is not available all the time,
no one else has bought chrome since it was done.

Which would seem to indicate it is an "office issue", one of attitude,
as opposed to a real manufacturing issue.

We can't be libelous, but this subject certainly makes me bilous...

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 02:32 PM.]

Cor ordered a guitar to his specs, paid for it in full $4,500.00??

The guitar never showed up and as far as he knows was never built.

QUESTION: Why was the guitar never built?

QUESTION: What is preventing the Emmons Guitar Company Inc from sending back the money. WHat right do they have for keeping it?

I am not sure if I follow this at all..

Is there a short version of this tale and projected outcome??

I was definitely planning on purchasing a brand NEW EMMONS, top-0-the-line model at the St.Louis show, two years back, and still would like to have one but under these circumstance, Ron Lashley couldn't GIVE ME A FREE Emmons guitar during my remaining lifetime.

The Emmons Guitar Company has just kissed off $4,500 as a result of what I see as shoddy business practices. Too bad. They lost the money and I still have mine in my pocket. They may have won the war with Cor but they lost it with me. Personally, I wouldn't even visit their show room or whatever. To screw over another musician, is like screwing me over. No way!

Has Cor ever considered contacting the United States Department of Consumer Affairs? If he could get a "JUDGEMENT" against the Emmons Company, he could end up owning at least a chunk of it. Just a tho't.

Some effective steps have been suggested in this post but all I continue to hear is whining and sniveling. And THANK YOU very much Eric for what you're about to say here in this post. It was very nice of you. If I failed to make myself clear, regarding my remarks, I apologize, but I see far more talk about "What I want" rather than an outcome that would be productive. Any honest attorney will tell you, that there is very little "justice" in our court system, yet getting a little something is better than a whole lot of NOTHING!
THANKS AGAIN, Eric.

[This message was edited by Ray Montee on 10 November 2004 at 10:08 AM.]

Ray's pretty conversant in the legal end of things, and his radio show suggestion is very valid.

We all hope Cor gets is money back.

With input like Danny H's and a few others, it's getting down to the nitty gritty of the situation.

I won't live long enough to wear out my Marrs Rebuild thats coming, though I've completely buswhipped my Old PIII. In another 25 years I'll probably be looking at walkers...

Does anybody know for sure what the OLD rules are?
It would be nice if a forumite has a copy of an old contract with those rules on them.
There might be some kind of a solution in there.

Hope this helps.

Tim, why would you want a shorter version?
is 10 pages too much? with the facts getting clearer and clearer?
Repeat questions that have already been answered are not helpful, but we are also now getting some very usefull suggestions as well!