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Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 23 September 2004 12:59 PM     profile     
AMEN.

I agree for the full 100%

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 23 September 2004 at 01:00 PM.]

Farris Currie
Member

From: Ona, Florida, USA

posted 23 September 2004 01:05 PM     profile     
You got it TIM right on the money. stephen,
your driving me crazy-er,that name BEN DOVER
man thats trying to ring a bell!!Tell me man,
i even looked in the phone book.nothing, but
i for sure should know. I'm refrain from all
this other stuff. all it's doing is hurting
people.Steel players are suppose to love one
another,and enjoy each other. gotta go,i'm
bar-b-queing ribs. later farris
Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 23 September 2004 01:13 PM     profile     
Stephen.

I think it's pointless to go on and on about the Lashley's and their Push Pull PSG's.I hope they succeed in producing them.I will be one of the first to order one.I never had problems with my old Emmons.
They build great Guitars.

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

John Davis
Member

From: Cambridge, U.K.

posted 24 September 2004 09:54 AM     profile     
Tim, with due respect to your grandpa,

"This thread should be closed. It seems that alot of "FEELINGS" are being expressed here doing nothing more than making matters worse for the Lashley's and for Cor"

I think you are wrong,

1.You say Cor should sort it out with Emmons
Factory,Great Idea! Hows it going to happen if they won`t even communicate with him????

2.You say not on the forum ,and I would agree with that if every other avenue had not been explored, IMHO this is the most legitamate use ever of this medium, how would you feel if it was you that lost?
Bottom line is - The guy`s got a reciept
They had the money- he has nothing>>>>>>>

In my initial posting I said the idea did`ent address the rights and wrongs of the situation but it would make it go away to most peoples satisfaction, it appears to me that nothing dissapates heat in the conversation as much as asking people to chip in ten bucks to help another forum member.

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 24 September 2004 11:06 AM     profile     
I'm still waiting for "The Rest of the Story"! If Bobbe and Reece can get together, this should be a piece of cake. If not, how about Tootsie Rolls at 20 paces?!?!
Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 24 September 2004 01:23 PM     profile     
John, your intentions are honorable, for sure. I'd like to see this thing resolved ASAP, and I'd like to see Cor get what money is due him. As far as helping another Forumite, there's a post over in "Extended Family," from Boo Miller, regarding his mother's failing health, and their finances.
Now, since Cor has gone to the court system (as he should have), and presumably, the Lashleys will be represented as well, we won't need to judicate here, nor, with all due respect, John and Cor, do we need to chip in and give Cor his money back.
The Miller story is much more important, don't you ALL agree????
Ron Steenwijk
Member

From: Greensburg,PA

posted 24 September 2004 01:30 PM     profile     
Stephen.

Like Cor said before..

quote:
you are so wonderful but i won't accept it from you because it isn't your fault

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

Farris Currie
Member

From: Ona, Florida, USA

posted 24 September 2004 04:08 PM     profile     
YOUR RIGHT STEPHEN,this ain't pretaining to]
this topic either, but if MILLER family needs
help,then lets get a topic for it,and get it
going!I will give what i can right now.and
continue as long as possible.I feel that many
others will to.we live in a great AMERICA,and
steel player also,if it's needed lets get it
going! farris
Ken Lang
Member

From: Simi Valley, Ca

posted 24 September 2004 07:58 PM     profile     
Somebody here must live near the Emmons factory. I'd say put on your brass ones and knock on their door. If Cor agrees, tell them you are a representative of Cor, here to settle this case. A laywer along with you would help a great deal, if Cor agrees.

Face to face, with resolve but not anger can sometimes clear what seems like impossible log jams.

Knowing that you will be at their doorstep at least once a week and calling them twice a day by phone (nicely) tends to make them want to resolve the situation just to get you off their back. It CAN work.

If there is a real butthead at the company mucking up the process based on his own ego, call him even more often. Note it all in a record book. That's your proof of how often you tried to resolve the problem, and your proof of how often he stonewalled. Record the date and the time and who you did or didn't talk to. Every little record of anything, however minor, is a notch in your favor should it come down to legal resolution.

Cor, this applies to you as well. Take the time to record everything. That will be your strongest weapon should it come to legal issues. That's a big difference between us folks and lawyers. We are vauge and iffy, lawyers have it in exact circumstances and time and receipts.

I am not a lawyer, but I understand a little how they work.
Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 24 September 2004 08:04 PM     profile     
.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.]

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 25 September 2004 01:36 AM     profile     
Why doesn't someone go by the factory and say they are there to pick up Cor's guitar for him. Then let's see what they have to say.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 25 September 2004 02:05 AM     profile     
This isn't for a local NC player to go over to see Ron Jr. and request a Steel for Cor. Ron Jr. would have every legal and personal right to say "Get Lost".."Who are you ?"

If I was Ron thats what I would do.

But there are plenty of other "appropriate" folks that Cor could contact to do the exact same thing .

This issue is way beyond brainstorming idea's and once the "appropriate" representation for both parties get together it will be resolved in miliseconds.

t

CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 25 September 2004 02:25 AM     profile     
well we've been pretty lucky that this thread has'nt been closed
so we must be doin' somethin' right
i would suggest layin' out a bit and see what impact it might have towards the Emmons Co and resolvin' this issue.
we can only go so far and the Law does go further.
so let's sit back and see what happens.
there is nothin' wrong w: usin' the Forum for expressin' grievances of this sort.
Knowin' the quality and reknown of Emmons Steels, i seriously doubt that anybody wants to bring down Emmons in any way.
like i posted earlier, i feel for any Fo'Bro that forks out a substantial amount of $$$ and does'nt get what he's entitled to.
if Reece and Bobbe can make up, i'm pretty sure this affair be resolved w: honesty and class
HowardR
Member

From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 25 September 2004 05:21 AM     profile     
Tony Prior had the nail on the head.

Let's break for lunch....permanently.

Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 25 September 2004 08:33 AM     profile     
Howard--
Meet me at Tony's house---HE'S PAYIN'!!!
Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 27 September 2004 02:10 PM     profile     
I already ate lunch..we'll have to do dinner...or just skip dinner and go right to dessert..

t

tbhenry
Member

From: Chattanooga /USA

posted 03 October 2004 05:28 PM     profile     
Hi Cor,

Can you give us an update?

Cor Muizer Jr
Member

From: The Netherlands/europe

posted 04 October 2004 10:55 AM     profile     
TBhenry,

about what???? till today there are no results about this unexpected thing what is happen to me.


cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 04 October 2004 at 01:07 PM.]

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 04 October 2004 11:48 AM     profile     
DUH!!
Terry Sneed
Member

From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA

posted 04 October 2004 12:25 PM     profile     
I love the Emmons guitar. but why the Lashley's won't post here and clear their name, I cannot understand to save my life.

Terry

------------------
84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.

Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 04 October 2004 12:29 PM     profile     
Maybe they don't read the Forum?
Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 04 October 2004 12:30 PM     profile     
.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.]

Terry Sneed
Member

From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA

posted 04 October 2004 12:33 PM     profile     
well, maybe they should have got it straightened out when it first started. before there was any legal action. I know I wouldn't allow my co to be attacked without gettin my 2 cents in.
Terry

------------------
84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.

[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 04 October 2004 at 12:37 PM.]

Tom Callahan
Member

From: Dunlap, Tennessee, USA

posted 04 October 2004 12:44 PM     profile     
Aint but two people got a dog in this show.

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Tom Callahan
Emmons S-10
Rayline SD-10 (#46)
Nashville 400

Cor Muizer Jr
Member

From: The Netherlands/europe

posted 04 October 2004 01:11 PM     profile     
no results for me or updates till today

cor

Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 04 October 2004 06:00 PM     profile     
Many things could have happened. From the sounds of it, a validator of the ID of the person cashing the check might be responsible if the person or company named on the check cashed it unbenownced to E, or if it was fraudulently cashed one way or the other without proper ID.

Either way, if money was transferred through a banking entity, the appropriate AG will definitely get it straightened out. The Bank involved will have a major part if not responsibility if any claims of non reciept apply.

Since there's an international interaction, there might be a need for other entities.

Cor.

Is Dutch your native language?

Is there somebody that can more clearly state things to us single language 'mericans in a way that would be easier for you, and give us a more understandable picture of all the steps?

Just passing by and wondered.

EJL

Cor Muizer Jr
Member

From: The Netherlands/europe

posted 05 October 2004 08:26 AM     profile     
what do you want Eric?

i already said before that the mother from Rebecca cashed my money and forwarded it to Rebecca.

so what is the problem they got my money in december 2003 $4000,00 and before $500,00
so thats $4500,00. and the guitar is never build. and i didn't have received an orderform or whatever so thats it.

cor

Scott Appleton
Member

From: Half Moon Bay, California, USA

posted 05 October 2004 08:36 AM     profile     
I suggest every one on the forum send a letter to
Emmons asking for a public disclosure of this case.
If Cor is telling the truth then Emmons must be building a steel for him. No other person I know of
has ordered a steel and just been completely ignored by the Emmons Co.
What about the steel players who know Buddy or the
steel players who know everyone at the Company?
It seems like everyone is beating around the bush
and not getting to the nitty gritty.
Cor Muizer Jr
Member

From: The Netherlands/europe

posted 05 October 2004 08:44 AM     profile     
well scott,

as you maybe reed before i was quit the order in the first place because of my healthy problems with muscle vibrations and reflexes and in the second place because of the long long wait.

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 05 October 2004 08:59 AM     profile     
.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.]

Cor Muizer Jr
Member

From: The Netherlands/europe

posted 05 October 2004 09:07 AM     profile     
i'm not angry about you all guys

thanks for helping me no problem but al you asking i already have done and try out

so i got nothing and as i said before i did not having an order form from emmons or estimate so as you know it was al about trust but i can tell you i didn't have that anymore in this busyness.

but anyway better to close this topic and wait till somebody else having the same trouble with them hopely then you al wil believe me that it was true what is happened


greetings and god bless you all

cor

(i'm not writing here anymore)

David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 05 October 2004 09:54 AM     profile     
Cor, I think the best thing you could do to forward your aims on the forum,
AND settle this issue is
is find a decent translator.

Write what you want to say, ask for a translation, even if just by e-mail,
and THEN post it.
But NOT before.

I really am quite sure this was right at the heart of the problem with Emmons Co.

Ok Jim, when you don't know the language it is EASY..
VERY easy ,to say things people take exception too,
and never realise that you have done it....

And when they come back to you negatively,
you don't understand and it makes the situation worse.
add even a suspicion of anger at being misunderstood
and it all explodes.

I know, because I live where I am not great in the language.
I have been playing catch up for 9 years.. trust me I see the issue here.

I think Cor would have gotten farther if he had a passable translator involved from day one.
That doesn't mean he had one available to him.
or the budget, since being injured, to pay for a big time translator.

Enlgish may be pretty universal, but not like an American thinks it will be before he comes over.

I am used to language cocckups and see clearly the euro dialect and grammer being twisted in the anglo format during this thread.

I think this is even clearer to my other bi-lingual forumite buddy.
Unfortunately neither of us speak dutch.

So lets all chill.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 05 October 2004 at 10:00 AM.]

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 05 October 2004 10:11 AM     profile     
.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.]

Pete Burak
Member

From: Portland, OR USA

posted 05 October 2004 11:38 AM     profile     
FWIW, Expedia.com shows Rotterdam to Greensboro NC going for $875.
CrowBear Schmitt
Member

From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 05 October 2004 12:14 PM     profile     
it just so happens that the Dutch are quite fluent in English, French and German. i know many Dutch who speak very good English and i'm sure that Cor would have NO problem findin' a Dutch to help him translate, transmit & recieve.
btw: there's enough Dutch Fo'Bro's here too.
Scott A's proposal ain't bad either - imagine us all writin' to Emmons Co on this affair - i'm sure they would'nt dig that at all
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 05 October 2004 01:26 PM     profile     
Cor had a website at this address: http://www.blue-audioproductions.com/

This website is no longer available online.
Some Forumites may recall that this website indicated that Cor had the Emmons dealership.
I wonder what happened to that dealership.

[This message was edited by Peter on 05 October 2004 at 01:32 PM.]

David L. Donald
Member

From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 05 October 2004 02:13 PM     profile     
Ah Jim.. for some reason my dyslexia lead me to think you were in NEW Mexico.
You're more off the beaten path than me!

Yes peas / boobies, a common mistake.
Ask the ambasadors wife to pass the nipples,
yeah I can dig it.

I was just reminded of me writing a few years back "
" I the undersigned ..." je le sous signée....

but actualy writing : Je le sous singe... I the Under Monkey.

Went over well at the post office.

In any case Cor needs to get some help for the translation. Slower but clearer works for me.

Not sure what the "dealership" issue would be.
It could be language related too?
"I know these good guys building steels, I can get them for you", becomes "dealership"
... language again.
I never saw the site, so it's just speculation.

It has occured to me to have the documentaion scanned and posted here.
Recipts and anything like a demand to build or cancel etc.
That would certainly bloster Cor's case in this venue. Unless the AG suggests not to.

But facts are facts and all else is irrlevant,

Not emails, but actual letterhead paper documents.

tbhenry
Member

From: Chattanooga /USA

posted 05 October 2004 05:50 PM     profile     
Cor did you ever have an Emmons dealership? (like a franchise) maybe Peter can translate dealership intoo Afrikaans or Dutch!
Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 05 October 2004 06:45 PM     profile     
Cor.

I wish you luck.

If it is exactly as you say, things will work out.

Maybe even better than you thought.

If not, It won't.

Maybe even worse than you thought.

EJL

Jim Phelps
Member

From: just out of Mexico City

posted 05 October 2004 08:51 PM     profile     
.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:04 PM.]


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