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Ron Steenwijk Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 23 September 2004 12:59 PM
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AMEN.I agree for the full 100% Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 23 September 2004 at 01:00 PM.] |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 01:05 PM
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You got it TIM right on the money. stephen, your driving me crazy-er,that name BEN DOVER man thats trying to ring a bell!!Tell me man, i even looked in the phone book.nothing, but i for sure should know. I'm refrain from all this other stuff. all it's doing is hurting people.Steel players are suppose to love one another,and enjoy each other. gotta go,i'm bar-b-queing ribs. later farris |
Ron Steenwijk Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 23 September 2004 01:13 PM
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Stephen.I think it's pointless to go on and on about the Lashley's and their Push Pull PSG's.I hope they succeed in producing them.I will be one of the first to order one.I never had problems with my old Emmons. They build great Guitars. Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6
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John Davis Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 24 September 2004 09:54 AM
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Tim, with due respect to your grandpa,"This thread should be closed. It seems that alot of "FEELINGS" are being expressed here doing nothing more than making matters worse for the Lashley's and for Cor" I think you are wrong, 1.You say Cor should sort it out with Emmons Factory,Great Idea! Hows it going to happen if they won`t even communicate with him???? 2.You say not on the forum ,and I would agree with that if every other avenue had not been explored, IMHO this is the most legitamate use ever of this medium, how would you feel if it was you that lost? Bottom line is - The guy`s got a reciept They had the money- he has nothing>>>>>>> In my initial posting I said the idea did`ent address the rights and wrongs of the situation but it would make it go away to most peoples satisfaction, it appears to me that nothing dissapates heat in the conversation as much as asking people to chip in ten bucks to help another forum member. |
Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 24 September 2004 11:06 AM
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I'm still waiting for "The Rest of the Story"! If Bobbe and Reece can get together, this should be a piece of cake. If not, how about Tootsie Rolls at 20 paces?!?! |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 24 September 2004 01:23 PM
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John, your intentions are honorable, for sure. I'd like to see this thing resolved ASAP, and I'd like to see Cor get what money is due him. As far as helping another Forumite, there's a post over in "Extended Family," from Boo Miller, regarding his mother's failing health, and their finances. Now, since Cor has gone to the court system (as he should have), and presumably, the Lashleys will be represented as well, we won't need to judicate here, nor, with all due respect, John and Cor, do we need to chip in and give Cor his money back. The Miller story is much more important, don't you ALL agree???? |
Ron Steenwijk Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 24 September 2004 01:30 PM
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Stephen.Like Cor said before.. quote: you are so wonderful but i won't accept it from you because it isn't your fault
Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
Farris Currie Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 24 September 2004 04:08 PM
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YOUR RIGHT STEPHEN,this ain't pretaining to] this topic either, but if MILLER family needs help,then lets get a topic for it,and get it going!I will give what i can right now.and continue as long as possible.I feel that many others will to.we live in a great AMERICA,and steel player also,if it's needed lets get it going! farris |
Ken Lang Member From: Simi Valley, Ca
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posted 24 September 2004 07:58 PM
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Somebody here must live near the Emmons factory. I'd say put on your brass ones and knock on their door. If Cor agrees, tell them you are a representative of Cor, here to settle this case. A laywer along with you would help a great deal, if Cor agrees. Face to face, with resolve but not anger can sometimes clear what seems like impossible log jams. Knowing that you will be at their doorstep at least once a week and calling them twice a day by phone (nicely) tends to make them want to resolve the situation just to get you off their back. It CAN work. If there is a real butthead at the company mucking up the process based on his own ego, call him even more often. Note it all in a record book. That's your proof of how often you tried to resolve the problem, and your proof of how often he stonewalled. Record the date and the time and who you did or didn't talk to. Every little record of anything, however minor, is a notch in your favor should it come down to legal resolution. Cor, this applies to you as well. Take the time to record everything. That will be your strongest weapon should it come to legal issues. That's a big difference between us folks and lawyers. We are vauge and iffy, lawyers have it in exact circumstances and time and receipts. I am not a lawyer, but I understand a little how they work. |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 24 September 2004 08:04 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.] |
Richard Sinkler Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 25 September 2004 01:36 AM
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Why doesn't someone go by the factory and say they are there to pick up Cor's guitar for him. Then let's see what they have to say.------------------ Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400
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Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 25 September 2004 02:05 AM
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This isn't for a local NC player to go over to see Ron Jr. and request a Steel for Cor. Ron Jr. would have every legal and personal right to say "Get Lost".."Who are you ?"If I was Ron thats what I would do. But there are plenty of other "appropriate" folks that Cor could contact to do the exact same thing . This issue is way beyond brainstorming idea's and once the "appropriate" representation for both parties get together it will be resolved in miliseconds. t |
CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 25 September 2004 02:25 AM
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well we've been pretty lucky that this thread has'nt been closed so we must be doin' somethin' right i would suggest layin' out a bit and see what impact it might have towards the Emmons Co and resolvin' this issue. we can only go so far and the Law does go further. so let's sit back and see what happens. there is nothin' wrong w: usin' the Forum for expressin' grievances of this sort. Knowin' the quality and reknown of Emmons Steels, i seriously doubt that anybody wants to bring down Emmons in any way. like i posted earlier, i feel for any Fo'Bro that forks out a substantial amount of $$$ and does'nt get what he's entitled to. if Reece and Bobbe can make up, i'm pretty sure this affair be resolved w: honesty and class |
HowardR Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 25 September 2004 05:21 AM
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Tony Prior had the nail on the head.Let's break for lunch....permanently. |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 25 September 2004 08:33 AM
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Howard-- Meet me at Tony's house---HE'S PAYIN'!!! |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 27 September 2004 02:10 PM
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I already ate lunch..we'll have to do dinner...or just skip dinner and go right to dessert..t |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 03 October 2004 05:28 PM
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Hi Cor,Can you give us an update? |
Cor Muizer Jr Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 04 October 2004 10:55 AM
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TBhenry,about what???? till today there are no results about this unexpected thing what is happen to me. cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 04 October 2004 at 01:07 PM.]
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Erv Niehaus Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 04 October 2004 11:48 AM
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DUH!! |
Terry Sneed Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 04 October 2004 12:25 PM
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I love the Emmons guitar. but why the Lashley's won't post here and clear their name, I cannot understand to save my life. Terry
------------------ 84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10 session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord. |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 04 October 2004 12:29 PM
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Maybe they don't read the Forum? |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 04 October 2004 12:30 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.] |
Terry Sneed Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 04 October 2004 12:33 PM
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well, maybe they should have got it straightened out when it first started. before there was any legal action. I know I wouldn't allow my co to be attacked without gettin my 2 cents in. Terry------------------ 84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10 session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord. [This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 04 October 2004 at 12:37 PM.]
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Tom Callahan Member From: Dunlap, Tennessee, USA
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posted 04 October 2004 12:44 PM
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Aint but two people got a dog in this show. ------------------ Tom Callahan Emmons S-10 Rayline SD-10 (#46) Nashville 400 |
Cor Muizer Jr Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 04 October 2004 01:11 PM
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no results for me or updates till todaycor |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 04 October 2004 06:00 PM
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Many things could have happened. From the sounds of it, a validator of the ID of the person cashing the check might be responsible if the person or company named on the check cashed it unbenownced to E, or if it was fraudulently cashed one way or the other without proper ID.Either way, if money was transferred through a banking entity, the appropriate AG will definitely get it straightened out. The Bank involved will have a major part if not responsibility if any claims of non reciept apply. Since there's an international interaction, there might be a need for other entities. Cor. Is Dutch your native language? Is there somebody that can more clearly state things to us single language 'mericans in a way that would be easier for you, and give us a more understandable picture of all the steps? Just passing by and wondered. EJL |
Cor Muizer Jr Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 05 October 2004 08:26 AM
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what do you want Eric?i already said before that the mother from Rebecca cashed my money and forwarded it to Rebecca. so what is the problem they got my money in december 2003 $4000,00 and before $500,00 so thats $4500,00. and the guitar is never build. and i didn't have received an orderform or whatever so thats it. cor |
Scott Appleton Member From: Half Moon Bay, California, USA
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posted 05 October 2004 08:36 AM
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I suggest every one on the forum send a letter to Emmons asking for a public disclosure of this case. If Cor is telling the truth then Emmons must be building a steel for him. No other person I know of has ordered a steel and just been completely ignored by the Emmons Co. What about the steel players who know Buddy or the steel players who know everyone at the Company? It seems like everyone is beating around the bush and not getting to the nitty gritty. |
Cor Muizer Jr Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 05 October 2004 08:44 AM
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well scott,as you maybe reed before i was quit the order in the first place because of my healthy problems with muscle vibrations and reflexes and in the second place because of the long long wait. |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 05 October 2004 08:59 AM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.] |
Cor Muizer Jr Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 05 October 2004 09:07 AM
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i'm not angry about you all guysthanks for helping me no problem but al you asking i already have done and try out so i got nothing and as i said before i did not having an order form from emmons or estimate so as you know it was al about trust but i can tell you i didn't have that anymore in this busyness. but anyway better to close this topic and wait till somebody else having the same trouble with them hopely then you al wil believe me that it was true what is happened greetings and god bless you all
cor (i'm not writing here anymore) |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 05 October 2004 09:54 AM
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Cor, I think the best thing you could do to forward your aims on the forum, AND settle this issue is is find a decent translator.Write what you want to say, ask for a translation, even if just by e-mail, and THEN post it. But NOT before. I really am quite sure this was right at the heart of the problem with Emmons Co. Ok Jim, when you don't know the language it is EASY.. VERY easy ,to say things people take exception too, and never realise that you have done it.... And when they come back to you negatively, you don't understand and it makes the situation worse. add even a suspicion of anger at being misunderstood and it all explodes. I know, because I live where I am not great in the language. I have been playing catch up for 9 years.. trust me I see the issue here. I think Cor would have gotten farther if he had a passable translator involved from day one. That doesn't mean he had one available to him. or the budget, since being injured, to pay for a big time translator. Enlgish may be pretty universal, but not like an American thinks it will be before he comes over. I am used to language cocckups and see clearly the euro dialect and grammer being twisted in the anglo format during this thread. I think this is even clearer to my other bi-lingual forumite buddy. Unfortunately neither of us speak dutch. So lets all chill.
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Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 05 October 2004 10:11 AM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:03 PM.] |
Pete Burak Member From: Portland, OR USA
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posted 05 October 2004 11:38 AM
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FWIW, Expedia.com shows Rotterdam to Greensboro NC going for $875.
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CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 05 October 2004 12:14 PM
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it just so happens that the Dutch are quite fluent in English, French and German. i know many Dutch who speak very good English and i'm sure that Cor would have NO problem findin' a Dutch to help him translate, transmit & recieve. btw: there's enough Dutch Fo'Bro's here too. Scott A's proposal ain't bad either - imagine us all writin' to Emmons Co on this affair - i'm sure they would'nt dig that at all
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Peter Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 05 October 2004 01:26 PM
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Cor had a website at this address: http://www.blue-audioproductions.com/ This website is no longer available online. Some Forumites may recall that this website indicated that Cor had the Emmons dealership. I wonder what happened to that dealership.[This message was edited by Peter on 05 October 2004 at 01:32 PM.] |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 05 October 2004 02:13 PM
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Ah Jim.. for some reason my dyslexia lead me to think you were in NEW Mexico. You're more off the beaten path than me!Yes peas / boobies, a common mistake. Ask the ambasadors wife to pass the nipples, yeah I can dig it. I was just reminded of me writing a few years back " " I the undersigned ..." je le sous signée.... but actualy writing : Je le sous singe... I the Under Monkey. Went over well at the post office. In any case Cor needs to get some help for the translation. Slower but clearer works for me. Not sure what the "dealership" issue would be. It could be language related too? "I know these good guys building steels, I can get them for you", becomes "dealership" ... language again. I never saw the site, so it's just speculation. It has occured to me to have the documentaion scanned and posted here. Recipts and anything like a demand to build or cancel etc. That would certainly bloster Cor's case in this venue. Unless the AG suggests not to. But facts are facts and all else is irrlevant, Not emails, but actual letterhead paper documents. |
tbhenry Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 05 October 2004 05:50 PM
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Cor did you ever have an Emmons dealership? (like a franchise) maybe Peter can translate dealership intoo Afrikaans or Dutch! |
Eric West Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 05 October 2004 06:45 PM
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Cor.I wish you luck. If it is exactly as you say, things will work out. Maybe even better than you thought. If not, It won't. Maybe even worse than you thought. EJL |
Jim Phelps Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 05 October 2004 08:51 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:04 PM.] |