4000 Members times .99cents makes about $4000.

Ron

Ron

Can someone design a shirt that will praise the vintage Emmons products, while warning newcomers about the current situation?

Can I have it in time for the Dallas Show?

Greensboro
North Carolina
NC27410 8th.November 2004

Dear Sirs,

I write to you concerning a Burlington NC. business, The Emmons Lashley Guitar Company I believe they are located at Webb Avenue, Burlington NC.
Though I am aware they are not members of your organization, I just wondered if there is anything you can do to help resolve this situation?
It is common knowledge among the steel guitar players in Europe that a gentleman living near Rotterdam by the name of Mr.Cor Muizer has sent The Emmons Company $4500 being the full payment for a new steel guitar. He has a receipt for the money, but to date no instrument or refund!
I firmly believe this is not the American way to do business, and reflects very badly on your community.The Company has not responded in any way, and is ignoring all forms of communication.
I feel their conduct in this matter will have a serious effect on American exports to Europe and probably the rest of the world
especially for this much loved instrument.
I intend to notify all the people I know who play this instrument as to what has happened here (there are more than 400 of them) so you may get some more post on this subject.
I would really like to see this Company do the right thing and regain the respect it once had worldwide.

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He has a receipt for the money, but to date no instrument or refund!

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John, you might add something to that line like: ... no instrument or refund after waiting X months. Moreover, he has repeatedly tried to contact the company and they have apparently refused to respond.

I do NOT like Buddy's family name being dragged through the mud like this.

In several posts here, I try to make sure I am NOT using the Emmons family name
in relation to crtiicizing the business CONDUCT of the present owners of the marque "Emmons"

Plenty of Emmons steels were built before the current proprieters took over.

I wouldn't sell a 1927 model T, just because Ford is screwing it's current employees and I wanted to protest that...
Apples and oranges.

Erv this has nothing what so ever to do with conservative or liberal causes.
Though I have noted you almost invariably take the opposite position from me on all issues, or don't comment at all.

So don't bother trying to sidetracks this one into your take on intolerant politics.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 08 November 2004 at 09:11 AM.]

today i called the BBB in greens boro and i send them the complaint by email aswell the payment receipt and told the story on the phone.
they told me if i sent right out everything in the email they will sendt it today to the emmons company.

and ofcourse, thank you all for your support.
will never forget that.

so send a lot of emails through the BBB
i think it would help mine is already there

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 10:04 AM.]

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" so many of you are voicing such anti Emmons venom "

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If this is true, please post an example so we can deal with it.

Are you sure that an e-mail is enough.
If this happens to you overhere in The Netherlands you are obligated to send in a written complaint.Otherwise they will not help you.

I think it won't hurt to call them again and ask them if only an e-mail will do.

Ron

I personally will never call the
Emmons Company again for anything.

Best wishes to you Cor.

thanks for the help

and Rick johnson thank you so much.

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:27 AM.]

if they were nice and honest to pay me back the money i send to them for a guitar that is never build.
i won't tell it here on the forum if it was solved .

but it don't so thats why i will tell anybody.
so if you wanna deal with them for a guitar
it is your choice not mine.

but be carefull

no more, but thank you all for support like i said before and i hope it solved soon.

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:38 AM.]

it should cost me a lot of money.
let me try out what i set in proces today by the BBB.

any way thanks for your help or suggestions.

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:45 AM.]

I don't think that the Dutch court has any jurisdiction over the Lashleys in the U.S.

As far as i know they never approached a dealer in The Netherlands and asked them if they want to be dealer of the steel guitars that they are building.

I think the only thing Cor could do is the thing he already did.Get in touch with the BBB and try to have them solve this case.
If the BBB fails and they can't force The Lashley's to either pay the money or come up with a solution that satisfies both party's then there are no more legal options left.

And FWIW....I hate to see the Emmons name dragged thru mud here all the time.Ain't there someway that we can reply to this topic without abusing the Emmons name.

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 08 November 2004 at 12:15 PM.]

If there are in fact no ties what-so-ever b/t the E****s Co. and the Netherlands E****s dealer (althought I don't understand how that is possible++), then you are correct --there would probably be no jurisdiction in the Netherlands.

(++although maybe what you are saying is that there is no dealer that sells E****s product in the Netherlands.)

[This message was edited by Tom Olson on 08 November 2004 at 01:54 PM.]

Here's a link to a TV station near Burlington that handles consumer problems. www.wfmy.com/2wtk/callforaction.aspx

Click on the "Call for Action Online Request Form" to submit your information.

In either case, it's economic suicide to let this go on.

[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 08 November 2004 at 07:22 PM.]

so ron JR if you read this post no guitar anymore out your hands just a check

This would mean he has to continue to deal with them for parts or warrenty etc, ongoing.

Why on earth, at this point, would he want that.?

Secondly, with the course of this thread and the bad publicity it naturally engenders,
the re-sale price of a new E by Lashley is likely to be a loss for Cor.
Even new, never out of the box, never shipped across the pond.

Yeah right, FINALLY under external presure send him the guitar he doesn't want,
make a profit on it, and then he has to dump it for a loss...
Real fair after being jerked around for years.

No shame in being broke, there are plenty of cash strapped people around these days, just making ends meet. You would be in good company and get a sympathetic ear.
But the character issue, is shamefull, if this is the case.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 12:34 AM.]

i don't want a guitar from the lashley's,

i will never be in busyness with them but like i said i want a check with the refund
thats all.because the money belongs to me not to them for a guitar that doesn't be build.

and what al the other forumites want here
or will do busyness with them in the future
i don't know i can only speak for myself and was hoping that it could be solved by this what wrote here on the forum, but i don't think it would so it is laying by the BBB and hope they could make some action on it. like i said before and saw it by them on the list they have,it is not the first time that this is happen.

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 01:23 AM.]

I can understand Cor's opinion on this subject.....however you have a point when you say that Cash will be the last thing the Lashley's will come up with.But do understand that if Cor could get his hands on this steel he is forced to sell it.And will there be anyone amongst us that is willing to pay up the 80 or 90% you are talking about.
90% of the value still is $4000.
IMO there are only a few steelers here on the forum that are willing to pay that for a LeGrandeIII.And do these people have the money to pay for it.
And don't forget the bad publicity that has been spread around these guitars.

Ron

one more time:

how many times must i say i have paid for a guitar that is never build and that ron jr stated that the guitar was ready to go and after danny came into it and heard from ron jr that it wasn't build. so there is nothing to sell.

he didn't use my money for my order guys
think straight and realistic
if he had it use for my order the guitar should be ready.
so imho there is something going on there
and nobody knows not even you all there

don't understand me wrong i'm not angry on you guys here
i have some great help from you all but

this is my opinion there is nothing

i wait almost three years on a 10 feet guitar cord and al the time when i was talking with them on the phone or send out a email they said its still in back order

i don't believe it any more.

i didn't think ron jr has parts laying to build a guitar i rather think they are on the way to get down, because of silence and no response through the attorney general.

so if there is no money they have to come up with a solution not me
if they don't i go further with this and more.

it takes so long now that it is time to get some action on it and i mean real action.
because i'm not a miljionair or so that is lay his money anywhere and don't care about it if he loose some
i have to work pretty hard for it.

and the thing is here i paid for something that is never build and probally never would build .

so they are only nice to me and have no other options than send me a check or at least come up with a solution.

but like i said i don't believe it that they do that, it seems to me that they are not so nice as they look they do over the phone or by mail.

so i repeat
there's one option and that would be the check with the refund nothing more nothing less.and lets wait what the BBB brings me.

regards

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 09:02 AM.]