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well ron please read this post for sure,
the guitar is never build !!!!!!!!!!!!

cor,jr

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[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 22 September 2004 at 05:45 AM.]

Are you proposing we reimburse Cor for the $4500 he says he paid Emmons?

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If every member that has concerns over this sends me ten bucks I would be prepared to collect it all together and account for it and forward it to Cor

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“John,
I reread your post. Maybe I didn't understand it the first time.
Are you proposing we reimburse Cor for the $4500 he says he paid Emmons?”

Yes Joey you are right, that is what I am proposing, Not to get The Emmons Company off the hook ! I have no interest in that!! But to help a fellow forumite that has made a serious mistake? Surely that is something worthy of support? Let me ask you this, how long do you think it will be before another sucker sends full payment for a guitar? Answer- A bloody long time if they read this forum!!
My feelings are that the Emmons name should not be dragged thru mud, B.E. is god to me or at least as close as you can get and if my ten bucks makes this go away, then I will gladly pay!!
We can all stand by and wring our hands and do nothing,,, or we can show the manufacturer`s that steel players are united and will not stand by while one of our kind is being shafted!
As you can see I feel very strongly about this, and I think Companies that work this way will get their just rewards a little further down the line!!!!!!

I'd rather we directed the "power of the Forum" to them.

Of course, whether or not everyone likes what's going to happen will be another story!

you are so wonderful but i won't accept it from you because it isn't your fault and believe me or not
it wasn't in the first place to bring down the lasley's but if they won't pay me back
and then i found out with the great research from another forum member that the guitar is never build or even start with building, please understand me it makes me really mad
and what ron,jr said through these forum member on the phone that somebody else have exactly order the same guitar as i do before i get my money back is pretty redicilous or not? and that was a couple a month's ago and now they even won't answer the attorney general either so it sounds pretty strange to me and i was the guy who trusted these at emmons but no more now.

so guy's i like to thank you all for what you where had to plan but i won't accepted

emmons has got to pay me back and that's for sure and if they don't sooner or later there is no emmons anymore i can garantee you.

my best to yeah all

someone needs to speak with some rationality on this matter. why has the company not responded? any other heavy hitter in the manufacturing world would have been all over this forum in seconds.

I am new to the steel world, but have seen similar situtations in the guitar market. The lack of the accused's presence on this matter worries me.

i only will let you know what is happened to me so hopely it won't happen to you.

and don't forget the basic line, it started by i was ordering a guitar about 2 or 2˝ years ago and at that time i was got that big big caraccident ( that wasn't my fault aswell).
so i ask the lashley's if they want lay my steel in stock till i got the money ( paying $500 in front to process my order)
also at that time i lose my job that's why i was asking that because i was invilved with lawyers against the insurance company
but they said no problem.
further finally i got it in december 2003 and i called them and said i sent it right to you by money gram so you can hold it up in the store that was in the same street as where they located.
the mother from Rebecca was hold it up there and after they received my money $4000,00 plus the $500,00 in front makes $4500,00 they told me over the phone your guitar is sold and you agree it to us,
but i wasn't do that( if i had that i was never sending the money)okay no problem i said as nicest i am, build me a new one and ron ,jr said okay i ask how long it will takes and he said regular time 3 or 4 month's so thats 12 till 18 weeks i said okay, that was in december 2003 when we spoke about it.
so march/april 2004 it must be ready.
then finally hearing nothing and also not forgotten to say i ask them a lot of times then and before sent me an estimate from my order but the never did.
then my healthy problems what i was gettin by the caraccident came back at the end of may 2004 and i must decided that i couldn't play under that sircumstances with muscle vibrations and reflexes at the most unwanted or expected times.and a brand new emmons laying under my bed is too expensive for me, so i call ron and told the problem and he said pretty bad for me but he must find another customer because he also stated the guitar was just finished(yeah right).
i said okay found one and after one or two month's i called them and i ask let me help find one so send me pics and that estimate.
and he told me he would but never did.
then i got contact with a emmons dealer and he said i will help you to sell your guitar and i ask him call ron,jr and ask for my guitar, well he did and he got the answer that the guitar was never build. and ron,jr said through him i have to get exactly the same order from another customer before cor can get his refund.

pretty rare or not???????

so after it i got totally mad and send them emails that they must pay me back,

and emmons normally didn't respond that much on emails but now they do and told me that i must stop with hatefull thinking or so and that they will never respond on my emails,

so i lay the case by the attorney general in north carolina and they send them a letter but they never respond on that either
and today for what i've heard the second letter through them was going out this morning.

so guy's i never will do business on this way or pay in front or even will trust people quik as i was on them

so read this carefull and slow and i hope it will never happen to you al there

greetings

cor,jr.

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 10:22 AM.]

The normal waiting periode is about 7 to 9 months.Some company's are quicker some ain't.Anapeg has a 4years waiting periode for example

Ron

maybe yes maybe no, because i don't no and i do hear that what you said often but what i said here is the information i got so if you or someone say that the time to wait is about a year or more i don't know.

but it isn't the point, the point is it is never build or even startin to build.

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 11:14 AM.]

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"Let me ask you this, how long do you think it will be before another sucker sends full payment for a guitar?"

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It's been discussed on this forum before Cor, same kind of problems, I believe it will happen again.

Many people think Emmons is still a respected name. They see others (including me) playing these guitars. They don't think to do the research here.

There was a post recently about Push Pulls being made again. I think there was mention of placing orders. And so it goes...

cor

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 11:34 AM.]

i dont want a emmons anymore and not in the name of emmons, but building by the lashley's now a day and there business practice.

even though it is a marvelous guitar.

i'm sick of it !!!!

[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 22 September 2004 at 11:45 AM.]

and for the last time i didn't expect this
what is going on not by emmons CO. not by anybody.

i didn't know how it works in the states,
i got this adress from some forumites too and i try that but as i say earlier the second letter through emmons from them is going out this morning, and i believe the thirth wil going out for secure that means here that you have to sign for it by receiving the letter,

c.muizer@planet.nl

any way thank you al for your suggestions.

and what should be the results?

A continuation of the deal.

And then a cancellation of an order due to non recovery of health,
with the vendors caveat of needing another buyer for the EXACT same set up.
I find that hard hearted and un-necessary.
Not about needing a buyer, but for the exact same type.

If the cat has never touched it, and it never left the factory it's new. Even if some things were removed to lower the price for a partucular buyer. I certainly don't think a simple copedent change warrents much wait for a new buyer.

With the7-18 month wait list for a steel, from Emmons co,
I see no reason why there wasn't a buyer right at hand... panting for a new Emmons steel.

Secondly, if the argument is that it was a very expensive custom job...
well just take the parts off and sell to somebody keep the parts and refund the difference.

This SEEMS like a no brainer.

I certainly wouldn't be stressed if there were a few lever screw holes in the bottom, maybe some would, I but I think most wouldn't. Even if two wanted pritseen, likely the third would have said no problem.
They would be happy to have the steel sooner than later.

So it certainly makes one wonder why this course of action was rejected.

I also see a bit of language problem, ...and some one making fun of that...LOW blow dude.
I guess you have never lived where you didn't speak or write the language well.

Well I don't think the people at Emmons would have taken the order if they didn't understand Cor's speaking or writing.
So they can't say later.. Oh, we didn't understand him...That don't float either.

Now, with the attorney general involved, I can easily see why we haven't heard from Emmons co. / The Lashleys on this or the other thread.
The lawyers will say no public comments.

But it is in their best interests to expidite this and make it's resolution public... to the steel buying public.
PR might just be more important, even in this litiginous age you living over there.
Look how some are still ready to hammer the new MSA for the Old MSA and find fault with any effort at resolution.
I would be saddened to see the Emmons name in this predicament.

But it is a shame that "they apear" to have treated someone seriously injured in an accident and with detriorating health, as if he was just some deadbeat non payer changing his mind...
even if he HAS paid in advance.

I don't like that it has the affect of dragging Buddy's family name through the mud,
through No FAULT of his own. He sold the marque long ago... but I bet this gives him a few cringes privately.

Now It most likely is a series of communications errors at the Lashley end of things,
but this is also not a small thing for Cor... not a bit.

It also makes one think twice about putting down payments down. Especially from abroad.

Heck fire, we fouriners don't really count do we! We ain't git local lawyers.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 22 September 2004 at 03:37 PM.]