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Topic: Cor`s Problem
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Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 22 September 2004 03:45 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:02 PM.] |
Duane Marrs
Member From: Madison, Tennessee, USA
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posted 22 September 2004 06:05 PM
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A couple of years ago this gentle began calling our shop and requesting parts to build a steel guitar. We would visit at length. As many know we have sent parts to folks " open account" for many years. Meaning we would ship in "good faith" and let you mail in payment when received. And still do today. We began sending assorted big ticket items to this customer. We were paid at first. However, to date we are still owed several hundred dollars for 2 changers units. I saw these posts about his problem with Emmons and emailed him, since I didn't know how until now. He emailed back as if it were undeliverable himself to look like the server had done so. Like Mr.Hinson suggested, I too would have to see receipts for any money paid.Perhaps, the folks at Emmons have a side, too. |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 22 September 2004 06:26 PM
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Would it be out of place an inappropriate to request that Buddy Emmons mediate this sad issue? |
Bobby Boggs
Member From: Pendleton SC
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posted 22 September 2004 06:29 PM
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Thanks Duane for the info.For some reason the good folks at Emmons would sit around and let the place fall in on them before defending themselves on thisforum.I guess they feel they have greater priorities.Sometimes I think they under estimate the power of the net......bb |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 22 September 2004 06:35 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:02 PM.] |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 22 September 2004 06:40 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:02 PM.] |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 September 2004 07:11 PM
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There are two side to every story. Too bad we only heard one.I'm glad this matter has been turned over to the Attorney General's Office. They will get both sides of the story. I look forward to their findings. |
Eric West
Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 22 September 2004 08:20 PM
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Well as the recent CBS flap has shown,for some years now, P.I.P s, (People in Pajamas), or the "Pajamahadeen" now have control of and instant access to information, and can send it around the world in a keystroke. Good OR bad.Harley Davidson was totally forced into an extension of there warrantees for five years, and got as close to having to recall EVERY HD motor made in 99-00 as they can imagine because a couple guys in PJs got ahold of a PDF Service Bulletin about Cam Bearings. At first they tried the old "Lawsuit" gig, and it fell flat when they found out that tens of thousands of their customers had the same PDF file. Businesses that want to compete MUST have a HANDS ON approach to information, and forget about "business as usual", ignoring things they think will go away they way they used to.. Mr's Hilton, Carter, Marrs, Fessenden, Seymour, and others seem to have "gotten" this. They learn they can solve problems instantly at a distance as well. The internet is a GREAT tool, like the telephone. For the longest time, I'm sure businesses tried to ignore it too. Damn.. the right foot of my Mickeys™ got caught under my chair... I hate that..  EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 22 September 2004 at 08:25 PM.] |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 01:22 AM
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New DAY,4:30 AM,coffee taste good!!WELL,NEW
LIGHT ON SUBJECT!!Jim,sorry fot my slang!!
just tired of trash!! THANK YOU DUANE!!!!
Mabe we all can now see the other side of the
story!I THINK MARRS MUSIC SHOULD BE PAID TO!!
This is my last post on this subject!I got to
many FRIENDS and don't want no one hurt!ALL THE stuff being said isn't fixing the problems.EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
farris |
David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 23 September 2004 03:40 AM
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Duane makes some good points, that also seem to parallel one or two of mine.I am of an open mind, but also was noting that the apearances from one sided information can look bad. At least from a PR sense. So maybe responding is better than not. and damn the lawyers.. or at least have them draft a response to post. But IF the attorny general is actually pursueing this, there would have to be reciepts, electronic or otherwise, and a paper trail to follow. If there is an issue between Cor and Duane, he should also clear this up toute de suite. Since they clearly are in contact now... If not by e-mail... right here. I am NOT damning any side here, but am making observations... Also Duane's post reminded me to send him a paypal for the lever kits I just got.
Asleep at the switch since I got back.
Thanks Duane, you're the best! |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 23 September 2004 04:52 AM
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How about it Cor? do you have a response for
D.Marrs  |
Tommy Cass
Member From: Baldwinville, Ma. U.S.A.
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posted 23 September 2004 05:04 AM
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A word about John Davis... One of the finest, honest, sincere human beings, I have ever dealt with. (Hard to find these days!) Thanks John, for your concerne over Cors' misfortune. It was a great jesture. Tom
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 05:46 AM
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I will have to say,JOHN that was good for you to try and help a person like you did!!
You had no idea other than what coor's said!!
Well,now that this has came to light,MABE he
will pay a GOOD MAN HIS MONEY!!DUANE,MARRS MUSIC ARE GREAT.
AS JOHN ASK,WHERE ARE YOU COOR'S?????? |
Cor Muizer Jr
Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 23 September 2004 06:37 AM
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ooh yes John i have it and at first it suprised me so much after maybe three years hearing that he never received the checks i send out to him, and that hurts me so muchalso i didn't understand why i never hear it before and after so long trust me guys i'm a very honest person and i
speak for myself always pay my bill's
so i'm very suprised about this
aswell to here int in the public ( but it doesn't matter to me i got no secrets) aswell to get an email from Duanne this morning. but anyway i solve this with Duanne you can be sure about that. other way i don't know what you've been thinking here but this has nothing to do with my problem against emmons
lets that being said!!!!
cor
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Cor Muizer Jr
Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 23 September 2004 06:40 AM
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and yes Duane marrs is a very nice and good person and i don;t wanna doing business like this way not to him not to anybody.but for sure i didn't know it at all.
cor
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 06:48 AM
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BULLxxxx AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON!!!!!!
YOU SHOULD APOLIGE TO EMMONS FOR ALL THExxxx
YOU HAVE SLUNG!!!!!!! |
Duane Marrs
Member From: Madison, Tennessee, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 07:05 AM
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Mr.Muizer has made contact and agreed to return the changers, and I appreciate that. I did tell him before going to the forum we could do it privately. But, when receiving the "undeliverable" email it hit me wrong. We are a small company and a hit like this hurts everyone we try so hard to help. We ship countless parts daily to our steel friends, quickly and at a modest price, considering the scarceness and uniqueness of them. Thanks for the help. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 07:21 AM
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I think we should all send Cor some cheese and crackers to go with his "whine"!  |
Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 07:25 AM
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A couple of things...
1. Faris, when you say it's your last post, please stop, OK?
2. Eric, thanks for your wonderful, although COMPLETELY irrelevant, info regarding H-D bearings. I guess some things just need to be heard, and somebody has to tell them.
3. Duane, thanks for balancing the equation a bit. If Emmons' dirty laundry is being aired here(if there is any), then Cor deserves the same treatment. Business is business.
4. Finally, to everyone who's crying for Ron jr. or Rebecca to post here---Cor says he's gone to the A.G. of North Carolina. Doesn't it stand to reason the Lashleys have their own legal representation as well?
We can't try this case here on the Forum, and I'm sure the Lashleys have more important things to do than argue here. Remember, they're building push-pulls again, in addition to the LaGrandes.
I know a lot of you guys know Ron and Rebecca personally. I don't. But of those of you who DO know the Lashleys, is there NO ONE who'll say something positive about them, or their company??? nd if not, why all the fuss about what good guitars Emmons are? The Carter is a fine guitar, made better by John Fabian's attitude. I have talked via email with Jerry Fessenden, and the same applies. Good people make good guitars BETTER!! |
Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 23 September 2004 07:51 AM
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Stephen.Everybody should have his or her say on the forum.Maybe it is irrelevant...so be it.Not every one of us know's the Lashley's personaly.But i can tell you that if my name would be dragged thru mud like theirs has been i sure would have answered.That the Push Pull guitars are being rebuild is great news.However that has Nothing to do with this post. Ron. Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 23 September 2004 08:18 AM
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Hey Tommy,
Thanks for the kind words, Nice to hear from you again, get a couple of gigs lined up and I will come over early next year would be good!!!Love to Carol
JD.  |
Cor Muizer Jr
Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 23 September 2004 08:19 AM
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so guy's talk to Duane 5 minutes ago and we solved the problem
probally my checks are lost in the mail or something like that ( it wouldn't be the first time for me).
so i go here on my side check it out and Duane on his sideand i let everybody know that Duane is a good friend of mine. on the other way i like to say now to you guy's here there only can bla bla bla......!!!!!! i would see your faces when you've got the same trouble as i have now with the lashley's will see if you've have the same big mouth.!!!!!! when you lose a lot of money.
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Cor Muizer Jr
Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 23 September 2004 08:22 AM
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ooh and John nothing wrong with you,
you've done a great job but i don't want itespecially from the forumites out here i want my own dam money back that's it!!!!! like i said before cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 23 September 2004 at 08:31 AM.] |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 23 September 2004 08:44 AM
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Cor I suggest you calm down! go and make a cup of tea or something!
There are a lot of good people on this forum and a few who change like the wind.
I have been very fortunate that every one here I have dealt with has been honest and sincere.
When I first viewed this topic I got the imppression that there was massive support for your case and anger at the injustice of it. If I was right, there may be another ten bucks on the matt in the morning,Who knows?
Those of you that dissagree with me,Fine! don`t send anything, just carry on wringing your hands, sounding off and saying how aweful it is and how something should be done! ------ and do nothing!!!!!!!!!
I still think this forum is a very great power for justice if we pull together and use it ........ but if the loss of ten bucks would ruin your week....¬!"£$  |
Cor Muizer Jr
Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 23 September 2004 08:51 AM
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john your absolutely right but i don't like these few that only can blablabla.... and think that i'm lying here when it wasn't completely true i would never air it here on the forum.but for these few i would see there faces if they be involved in the same situation as i am now.
and ofcourse i didn't expected it from a company like emmons is al over the years but it's true absolutely true. cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 23 September 2004 at 09:12 AM.] |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 23 September 2004 08:52 AM
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Cor you may give the Emmons Co a fatel blow,
Who knows? but as I said before it does`ent mean you would be one that gets paid out!! over here you have to form an oderly queue behind the Revenue ,Banks etc.
Your friends here on the forum may be your only answer????? |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 23 September 2004 09:22 AM
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and the consolation prize is.....(banjo roll).....A 1 year's subscription to "Pedal Steel ** Magazine"....... |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 09:27 AM
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My next guitar is DEFINITELY going to be an Emmons!!! |
Cor Muizer Jr
Member From: The Netherlands/europe
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posted 23 September 2004 09:35 AM
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hope for you , you will lost your money too!!!!!!!!if you have nothing important to say stay from this topic i don't trust you either. |
Charles Curtis
Member From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 09:54 AM
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I know the Lashleys and I personally like them a lot. They went out of their way to help me and volunteered, I might add. I love my Emmons guitar, I think it is great. In the not to distant future I'm going to make an appointment, when Ron can fit me in, to go down and have a couple more changes added to this wonderful instrument. Would I, personally, buy another Emmons psg? Absolutely. I could just ship the guitar but I like the visit. |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 09:57 AM
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WELL,IT EVENING NOW I'M BACK!!some guy got on
my case bout staying off,name steven gabby or
something like that!!!Yes,i have ordered a
new emmons also.WOW,can't wait to get it!!
EMMONS MAKES A FINE GUITAR!!!!
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Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 23 September 2004 09:59 AM
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Thanks Farris for letting me have the "MARLEN"Ron Nikaro SD10 4x6 |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 10:02 AM
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HEY RON, can't win nothing on ebay, so i just
ordered a new EMMONS,I'M ORDERING A PRETTY
BLUE ONE!!!!! |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 10:09 AM
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I just talked to Ron and he's giving me a real good deal on Cor's! NOT![This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 23 September 2004 at 12:01 PM.] |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 23 September 2004 10:38 AM
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EMMONS MAKES A FINE GUITAR!!!!I agree with you Farris 100% Whats that got to do with this topic?? Erv ,If Cor`s guitar has suddenly appeared and your buying it! Does that mean Cor will be getting his money back??  |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 11:22 AM
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EMMONS,GOOD COMPANY,THATS WHAT BEING DOWNED!
GOOD BYE TO ALL FINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Dustin Rigsby
Member From: Columbus, Ohio
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posted 23 September 2004 11:36 AM
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Chet Wilcox for prez  ------------------
D.S. Rigsby
Carter Starter and various six string toys |
Allan Todd
Member From: Isle of Wight, United Kingdom
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posted 23 September 2004 11:46 AM
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bOb we need a referee on this one,as it seems to be getting out of hand, |
Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 12:50 PM
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Ronald, my point in mentioning the push-pulls, was that the Lashleys have added to their backlog, and have MUCH more important things to do than argue pointlessly on this, or any other forum(except a court of law, if it comes to that).
Hey Farris, you ever meet a guy named Ben Dover?????
And, for whatever it's worth, John, that's a fine gesture on your part, to get Cor his money. When all the fact's are in, email me. If Emmons is found guilty, then I'll be GLAD to chip in.[This message was edited by Stephen Gambrell on 23 September 2004 at 12:56 PM.] |
Tim Bridges
Member From: Hoover, Alabama, USA
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posted 23 September 2004 12:54 PM
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This thread should be closed. It seems that alot of "FEELINGS" are being expressed here doing nothing more than making matters worse for the Lashley's and for Cor. This matter should be dealt with between the two involved parties. One thing is for sure, the Lashley's are wise not to comment. Slander can be costly; both as a business and personally. Refraining from comment on this forum is the wisest thing for both parties. Take out the emotion and work it out; either between the two opposing forces, or via their legal counsel. There are always two sides to every story. I bet this deal started heading south early. Good luck to the Lashley's and to Cor. I hope it can be worked out without anyone getting hurt further. It seems as though the whole thing got alot bigger than it ever should have.Thank God we're in America! We do have free speech. However, my Grandpa told me to deal with matters like this like a man and respect the other person no matter what. He also said what everybodies Grandpa said," if you ain't got something good to say, SHUT UP!!!". Now let's talk about PSG's. |
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