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Author Topic:   ZB Pedal Steel Guitars - Please help!
Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 17 July 2005 07:07 PM     profile     
Try this one. Looks real nice. ZB D10 8+7

Russ
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7336710408&category=10171&rd=1

Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 18 July 2005 05:34 AM     profile     
Thanks Russ. It's got way more than I want, and more than I'd ever be able to use at my age. If this steel sells, it'll be way up there trying to find the reserve.
No hurry, I always keep looking.
Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 18 July 2005 03:07 PM     profile     
But I'm looking real hard at it, Russ.
Duncan
Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 18 July 2005 04:35 PM     profile     
Duncan,

It looks good and at 78 lbs it FEELS GOOD!

Russ

Darvin Willhoite
Member

From: Leander, Tx. USA

posted 20 July 2005 03:43 PM     profile     
Well here's pictures of one I restored and owned for about 12 years. It is currently owned by forumite Chuck McGill.

Here's the story as I know it.

This is possibly the only 12 string Zane Beck ever built. I bought it in 1980 from a guy
in Oklahoma that had worked for Zane in Arizona several years before that. It was in pretty bad shape and had only one junky knee lever and 6 pedals. I refinished the cabinet, made the knee levers and the 7th pedal and all the parts required to hook it all up.

Basil Smith had bought the ZB company about this time and I had ordered the pedal and some other small parts from him, but before he could get them shipped, he was killed in a car accident. His widow knew nothing about the parts and it was a year or two before someone else bought what was left of the company. By that time I had made everything I needed.

I sold the guitar to a man in Corsicana, Texas around 1992, then two or three years ago, it came up on Ebay, which is when Chuck bought it. It did not have the decal on the front when I sold it, that was added by someone else later. These old guitars never die they just fade a little.



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Darvin Willhoite
Riva Ridge Recording


Papa Joe Pollick
Member

From: Pontiac, Michigan, USA

posted 20 July 2005 06:51 PM     profile     
Hi Larry,I've taken my ZB completely apart,getting ready to do some major things to it,and I found a number stamped inside of the chromed steel rap-around.It is 210003.The 2 and the 1 look like they were made with different dies, like maybe added later.
A discription of my ZB is on page 19 of this thread. Sure would like to learn more about it.Thank you..P.J.

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ZB DS10 3\4
Stringmaster D8
Nationals Rocket One 10 ,Chicagaon
Dobro 8 string
Strats,Teles,Gibson,Ibanezs
Old Fender & Gibson tube amps.Little bit of talent.

Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 20 July 2005 08:40 PM     profile     
Hi Papa Joe:

I read your post on Page 19 - this thread may need a ZIP code of its own soon - and I'm not sure whether or not this is a ZB. Most ZBs had "horns" on both the tuning keyhead and the changer mount, and only the student models had a metal front, as far as I know. Also, a four digit serial number should be stamped onto and into the bottom edge of the guitar near the output jack. A photo or two might help, you can email them to me or to the Forum and have them posted. If this isn't possible, there's always the good ol' USPS.

Please let me know - I'll be happy to help you out with finding out more about your guitar.
ZBest as always,
LC

Papa Joe Pollick
Member

From: Pontiac, Michigan, USA

posted 21 July 2005 02:11 PM     profile     
Larry, I'm not sure either about whether it's a ZB or what. The guy I got it from said it was,and at the time I had never even heard of Zane Beck,so he wouldn"t have been trying to impress me.As i said in my original post,the large ingraved B on the tuner head kinda looks like it has a Z in it.
To be honest, the mechanics Ain't very well engineered..From what I've resd here on the SGF about Mr. Beck, it's hard to believe he would have built any thing BUT quality steels.
If you want to E-Mail your snail mail address to me, I'll send the pics.I took before I tore it down for a rebuild. Thanks for your time and effort..P.J.

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ZB DS10 3\4
Stringmaster D8
Nationals Rocket One 10 ,Chicagaon
Dobro 8 string
Strats,Teles,Gibson,Ibanezs
Old Fender & Gibson tube amps.Little bit of talent.

Chuck McGill
Member

From: Jackson, Tn

posted 31 July 2005 05:35 PM     profile     
Darvin I bought the 12 str from Atomic music
in DC. It was posted by Andrew and I followed
up on it. It is in the process of being revived with the help of ZB guru Greg Jones
when I need parts and support. Greg is one
great guy.
Gene Quint
New Member

From: Maine, USA

posted 06 August 2005 06:50 AM     profile     
I bought a ZB Custom steel guitar back in the late 60's from Tom Brumley after he bought the company. I saw a listing of serial numbers of (supposedly) all ZB's on the forum a while ago but my serial number wasn't listed. I just learned from one of the replies in the forum that Tom started a new serial number sequence when he bought the company which explains my Serial number of 0047. I bought it new from Tom and have been playing it since I got it. I have been considering rebuilding it but wondered about the availability of parts. It's a D10 - 8 floor pedals and 3 knee levers.( I added the 3rd.), brown in color. The finish is in pretty bad shape because I learned too late that when you live in the cold frozen north (Maine) one doesn't move the instrument from a vehicle where it's been sitting sub zero all night to a warm room. The finish looks like a honeycomb effect. I met Tom at a Buck Owens concert in Bangor Maine back in the mid 60's and kept in touch with him by phone and bought the ZB from him a short time later. I moved to Bakersfield shortly after and worked in the area for a couple years before coming back to Maine. I have lost touch with Tom since and wondered if anyone has an e-mail address or some other way of contacting him. I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Gene Quint. My e-mail address is qes@pwless.net
Lyle Clary
Member

From: Decatur, Illinois, USA

posted 06 August 2005 12:49 PM     profile     
Gene, You might try getting in touch with John Rutledge. He worked in the ZB factory when Tom had it. He might also answer questions about your steel. He probably worked on it. Do a search on his name in pedal steel. Welcome to the forum. You are not going to believe the knowledge that it contains.You can find John on page 14 of Larry Chung's ZB masterpiece. You might be interested in other's talking about the brown color that might not be brown.

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1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure

[This message was edited by Lyle Clary on 06 August 2005 at 01:05 PM.]

Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 06 August 2005 03:47 PM     profile     
Hi Gene and Lyle:

Well, I'd call this thread more of a "work in progress" - not unlike many of the ZBs I've seen and played. (;

Gene, your ZB 0047 is most certainly a Bakersfield guitar - Zane owned the company in the mid-60s and had a different numbering scheme then. Those guitars start with 1001 up to about 1199 (I think). Then, when the company moved to Bakersfield, the numbering system started from 0001. Sounds like a great guitar you've got. I own #0124, an S-10 3+4 original, and it's a wonderful sounding pickup and great playing guitar. Hope this info helps.

Congratulations and welcome.
ZBest,
Larry

Ben Elder
Member

From: La Crescenta, California, USA

posted 08 August 2005 09:55 PM     profile     
I guess this is the preface to having my ZB-thread participant's membership card revoked and the epaulets cut from my uniform, but it looks as if I have struck a firm deal to pass along #0131 to someone man enough to wrestle that D-10 alligator. Despite an idealistic determination to hang onto it until musical and mechanical competence accrued sufficiently, fiscal problems (ironically, all tracing back to the car accident that occurred a few hours before I was set to drive the ZB to Bakersfield for a setup) necessitated the sale. (I wasn't injured at all--I've just sunk such a fortune into a) reviving my clanky Astro van and b) trying to keep a $300 Olds Delta 88 running for at least a week at a time. With six months gone by and 20/20 hindsight, it's clear that I'd've been ahead to pay the body shop $3500 out of pocket to fix the accident car's mangled rear end.)

But that's not my point. Because of my voluntary departure from active status in the august Zeta Beta fraternity, I see no point in my bidding on the ZB volume pedal now up on eBay (7341872874). Twenty-four hours ago, you might have been eating my dust. But, for my ZB friends, a tip and a promise that you won't have enbay to compete with...unless the D-10 sale defies the odds and falls through.

I do look forward someday to getting perhaps an S-10 (like #0248 I had before the D-10) or SD-10 or possibly even a BMI. Meanwhile, I'll be struggling through my various beginner books and videos on a sweet blonde Sho-Bud 6139 S-10 Professional.

Auf wiederZBen but not farewell...

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Wed 8/10:

All bets are off, as the ZB sale has run onto the rocks (details in Instruments For Sale). Can somebody safety-pin my epaulets back on for the time being?

[This message was edited by Ben Elder on 10 August 2005 at 11:35 AM.]

Brendan Mitchell
Member

From: Melbourne Australia

posted 10 August 2005 07:02 PM     profile     
I can't believe no one here has jumped on this pedal.
Brendan
Dave Zirbel
Member

From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 10 August 2005 10:05 PM     profile     
I found this while surfing the net.

By the way, I'm in the market for a single neck ZB, a REAL one.

Thanks,DZ

[This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 10 August 2005 at 10:06 PM.]

Brendan Mitchell
Member

From: Melbourne Australia

posted 11 August 2005 08:01 PM     profile     
Looks like a real one to me but I'd like to see underneath . The add says it was changed to the Emmons system . If that means the pedal set up ok but if the mechanics have been changed well then thats something else . Does anyone have any idea on the "SUPER SUSTAIN" sticker or whatever ? I always linked supersustain with MSA.
Brendan
Dave Zirbel
Member

From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 11 August 2005 11:13 PM     profile     
I took it as the ZB undercarraige was replaced with Emmons parts. Look at the changer. It's not ZB. The pick up is a George'l. They want $2500 for it.
Jim Hussey
Member

From: California, USA

posted 12 August 2005 06:00 PM     profile     
Greetings

I still have a green ZB D-10 #0562. I bought it from John Campbell at Webb Music back in the early to mid 70s. Can't remember exactly when, my memory from those days is foggy at best. Anyway, if anyone can date this # or send a link, I'd sure appreciate the help. I have not had any luck finding the web page with the ZB serial numbers.

Thanks
Jim

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 23 August 2005 03:35 PM     profile     
To the top!
Dave Zirbel
Member

From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 23 August 2005 03:38 PM     profile     
Nice photo, Russ! Pretty soon I'll be getting my second 1969 ZB D-10 and I'll be able to take a similar picture, but my Fender ain't purty like yours!

Dave Z

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 23 August 2005 06:31 PM     profile     
Dave,

It sounds like you're giving Larry a run for his money on ZB's

A note to all:

I went and saw Greg Jones this summer at Renfro Valley. What a nice guy and great player. If you get a chance go see him. Or pick up his CD!

Russ

[This message was edited by Russ Tkac on 23 August 2005 at 08:07 PM.]

John Billings
Member

From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA

posted 23 August 2005 07:40 PM     profile     
Here ya go! http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZANE-BECK-CUSTOM-PEDAL-STEEL-GUITAR-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ7344757963QQcategoryZ621QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Lyle Clary
Member

From: Decatur, Illinois, USA

posted 26 August 2005 09:33 AM     profile     
Help me out. Why no bids on the '69 D11? If I could afford it I would get it.

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1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure

Bob Carlucci
Member

From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 26 August 2005 10:20 AM     profile     
Lyle..The finish is compromised,the mechanics are a mystery to most steel players and to ALL non players,and the Guitar is very heavy.;; I would bet if it was totally restored and was in very nice condition ,or if it was a simpler single cabinet S 10,folks would be bidding... Old ZB guitars don't bring the money old Buds and Emmons do.
Also the guy called it a Zane Beck guitar... some people may not even realize its a ZB..bob
Webb Kline
Member

From: Bloomsburg, PA

posted 26 August 2005 10:52 AM     profile     
That's a lot nicer looking than mine was when I started with it and it polished up to near-new condition. I think it would be a bargain if you could get it for that kind of money.
Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 27 August 2005 09:37 AM     profile     
ZB D-11 $1435.00!! Who is the lucky winner?

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John Rutledge
Member

From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 27 August 2005 05:25 PM     profile     
Maybe some one can help me? I'm thinking about selling my steel do you have to go to ebay to do that or can you do it any where.
My steel is identical to the one that Russ Tkac is showing earlyer, but mine has white pickups. I do have a lot of extra parts and in my extra parts are two black pickups from the late 60's. My steel is a d-10 9 floor and 3 knees. I have a up knee lever witch I didn't put on. I also have a lot of changer parts. John
Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 27 August 2005 08:18 PM     profile     
John,

You can post it for sale on the forum. I'm sure you would have no problem selling it. A picture in the add can help. Try that first.

Russ

John Rutledge
Member

From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 28 August 2005 12:33 AM     profile     
thinks Russ
You have already posted a pitcher for me it is exactly like the middle steel in your pitcher. Same inlay and color the only differance is my steel has white pickups, but I do have a set of black ones for it, brand-new from 1969 or 70 not shure. the person that emailed me thinks but I will let all my parts go with the steel. I made a steel in about 69 or 70 for Norm Hamlet. He lived here in town but was on the road wtih Merle Haggard most of the time.He had a extra pedal on the E 9th neck that I liked so I put it on mine. All the aluminum needs to be buffed.I didn't play it very much so most of the moving parts has little or no wear.I probable have a complete set of changers maybe more I realy don't know. All the extra parts I have will go with the steel. The reason I'm going to sell my steel is I have Arthritis. I don't have an ankle on my left leg so I can't push the pedals down any more,so maybe someone can put it to good use. Its late I'll be back on another time
John
Lyle Clary
Member

From: Decatur, Illinois, USA

posted 03 September 2005 08:30 PM     profile     
Larry, Met a guy from Jackson, Michigan who has a d10 with serial number 0006. He will be happy to send you the info on it. I will get you two together. PS by the way I cropped a picture of my ZB logo and wore it on my cap at Scotty's St Louis show and got more than one comment. Most of them remarked about the fine tone ZB's have. Also things like "I wish I had never got rid of my ZB". Also a lady steeler from Freeport Illinois.

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1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 08 September 2005 04:55 PM     profile     
Eagles recording studio 1973. What kind of steel guitar do you see?

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 08 September 2005 09:16 PM     profile     
Single neck early seventies ZB. Tone baby, tone!
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 09 September 2005 09:11 AM     profile     
Hello ZBers:

Glad to hear that all is well in ZB Land. Russ, I think you have officially been inducted into the ZB Hall of Fame... thanks for the pictures and information. I wish my music room looked like that... wait a minute, it does. (: I especially like the reworked grillcloth on all the amps.

By the way, just judging from the other instruments and amps in the picture, this looks like one of Zane's marvelous S-11s. Longer than the S-10s and most other guitars for that matter - it just looks like it's freakin' 8 feet long...

Lyle - please let me know who the lady steeler from Freeport, Illinois is. Why? Becuase I grew up in Freeport, Illinois (home of the Pretzels! - email me if you want all the details). Wasn't playing steel way back then, but would love to know.

Keep the good information coming!
All ZBest,
Larry

[This message was edited by Larry Chung on 09 September 2005 at 09:18 AM.]

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 09 September 2005 05:36 PM     profile     
"Russ, I think you have officially been inducted into the ZB Hall of Fame..."

Thanks Larry...but with the steels I own and the way I play it should be the Hall of Shame!

Russ

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 10 September 2005 11:18 AM     profile     
Just a note. ZB changer caps are not always interchangeable. Depending on whether the guitar is a long throw or a short throw the caps can very in depth by 1/16th of an inch.
Also, I just bought serial number 560. Blond long throw. D-10, 8+4. It plays great and sounds typicallt ZB fantastic.
Andrew Buhler
Member

From: Maryland, USA

posted 11 September 2005 07:04 AM     profile     
So, Kevin. Can you elaborate more on the difference betewen long and short throw ZBs? Are the short throws the later year, short bodied guitars? Thanks.
Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 11 September 2005 04:15 PM     profile     
Andrew,
The throw on your ZB is just right. I should know, I'm the idiot, who sold it to the guy who sold it to you, in the first place. Don't do anything like tryng to make it throw lefty, unless you are making a political statement. If that is the case, go right ahead.
Duncan
Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 11 September 2005 07:00 PM     profile     
Yes Andrew, that is correct. I like both. Both can be made to play smoothly and accrately with the right adjustments. The long throws can adjusted near the same as the short throws with the two holes to attach the pedal rod to so that you could actually shorten up the throw very close to the short throw.

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 12 September 2005 at 07:31 PM.]

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 12 September 2005 08:36 PM     profile     
By the way, the reason that bought serial number 560 is that it sounds incredible. I was hust playing a Sho-Bud Pro-111 for two months, but I needed to get back to that ZB tone.
Larry Behm
Member

From: Oregon City, Oregon

posted 13 September 2005 04:56 AM     profile     
Kevin, long throw vs short throw, is that in conjunction with the guitars with the "horns" vs no horns on the peg head and tail piece?

Larry Behm


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