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Topic: ZB Pedal Steel Guitars - Please help!
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Ben Elder Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 17 March 2004 11:28 PM
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Item #39 at: http://www.billycoopersmusic.com/sales-used.htm |
Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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posted 18 March 2004 03:41 AM
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Duncan, call me, we'll deal. JimP |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 25 March 2004 01:20 PM
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ZBump - go Jim, get on him! Get that ZB out there playin'!(: I'll be at the San Jose steel jam with one or another ZB on April 3rd - check out Bill L.'s post on the Announcements page for details. S-11? D-10? one or Zother. lc |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 25 March 2004 02:18 PM
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Still looking, but again am close to the prey. I am looking at two really pretty specimens of the wild ZB. Thanks a lot Jim you were a great help, honestly. I have some questions. I was wondering if I should put it here, or start a new topic. The questions are: 1) how hard is it to convert a D-10 8x4 ZB from a Day to Emmons setup and 3) what is the process for changing it over and 3) is it something that could be attempted by someone who is only used to working on a Fessenden and has the dexterity of a gorilla after a bottle of whiskey? I look forward to any helpful, or even unhelpful feedback. please excuse my former rant and like I said, if I need to start a new topic with this one I will. Thanks again for all the tips on finding ZBs. Duncan |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 27 March 2004 05:32 PM
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Dear Pat Kelly:It was a pleasure to see and play your new (old) ZB D-11. I just returned from your sister's house in San Jose. Beautiful guitar and well taken care of by a fellow Illinois steeler - I was raised in Illinois! The guitar is a red double 11-string with 8 floor pedals and five knee levers. It's strung up as a 10 string on both C6 and E9, which can easily be "fixed" with the addition of a really thick string on either or both necks! (: The pedals and levers all work well - the only small-minor thing that I noticed was that there doesn't seem to be a lever that works on the C-6 neck, but everything else is there and wonderful. Serial number is 0839 which makes this a late 70s early 80s version of the ZB with short keyheads and changer mounts - no horns. BEAUTIFUL birdseye and marble maple on the front apron, too. Pat - you will enjoy this guitar and I wish you the best - also, very, very beautiful fiddle playing! (: Best, larry |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 01 April 2004 08:34 AM
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Well guys, I just sent off payment to a gentleman in Texas for an incredibly beautiful ZB Custom SD-10 4x6 that has been totally refurbished by Billy Knowles. Thanks for all your help and advice, and just putting up with me throughout this search.Duncan |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 01 April 2004 09:41 AM
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Duncan:Ya beat me to the post! Congratulations and welcome to the ZB family. FYI - I'll be attending the San Jose steel jam and bringing my S-11 4+4. You're all welcome to have a look and try it out, too. ZBest, larry |
Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 01 April 2004 11:35 AM
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Duncan |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 01 April 2004 01:11 PM
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Congratulations Duncan. Welcome to the club. |
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 01 April 2004 06:06 PM
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Duncan part of the initiation rite is to either be publicly hazed and humiliated and have a giant Z and B tatooed on each cheek, or to post some nice pictures of your new D-10 for us to oogle. Your choice.Brad Sarno |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 01 April 2004 06:22 PM
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You know I enjoy this. I fellow steeler in our area came out to see me about eight months ago. He was blown away by the ZB through the Webb. When I turned the guitar over and showed him the bottom his first reaction like mine was that it was impossible that the guitar could play accurately given the Rube Goldberg looking mechanics. Well four months later I found him a ZB D-10. He just called me last night thanking me up and down for turning him on to a ZB, a guitar that up until the time he saw me playing, he had never seen or heard. Other players I know have called me and asked me "are sure you know what you're doing selling off your other guitars?". To tell you the truth I wasn't even sure, but I am now. These guitars look and sound soooo cool. Duncan, Greg Jones and Billy Knowles are our resident ZB experts here. They are both great sources of information and are nice people. There are also others who work on them around the country. Gentlemen, start your ZB's![This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 01 April 2004 at 06:24 PM.] |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 01 April 2004 06:48 PM
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Thanks to everyone. I'm wondering if Mark Twain was right when he said "I would not like to belong to any organization that would have me as a member", or something like that. I guess I'm about to find out.Brad, I'm hoping to have a really great imprint on my forehead from passing out at the ZB after playing it until I drop. A least I'll have ten really cool grooves, along with a cowhide imprint pad imprint all over my face. I can't figure out how to post pictures, but I'll keep trying. I'll send you a couple Brad. I already sent some to Larry. All of this good cheer depends on the gentleman from Texas actually sending the guitar after receiving my payment. Y'all have a great evening and I'll try and get one of me playing it on the beach. Duncan
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Ben Elder Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 01 April 2004 07:42 PM
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"to...be publicly hazed and humiliated and have a giant Z and B tatooed on each cheek."Happens just from trying to set up a ZB; no human intervention required. (Wish it was only the four cheeks...) |
Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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posted 01 April 2004 08:02 PM
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Well Duncan, it is about*&^*& time! Send me some pics. Remember you're not really a man until you've knocked off a couple of those spokes off the changer and put them back on, flat on your back at 2 in the morning, and watched both those allen screws finally hit the metal at the same time!! Congratulations! Jim Peters[This message was edited by Jim Peters on 01 April 2004 at 08:03 PM.] |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 02 April 2004 03:55 AM
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Hey Jim, I sent you some pics. It looks somewhat like your D-10. I'm also still working on making you a sample of my exquisite playing. I can safely say that my playing successfully combines all the refined technique of Jerry Garcia with the tone of the roadrunner. Duncan |
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 02 April 2004 05:23 AM
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Wow Duncan! She's a beaut! A loafer. Look at all that space underneath. I like the sunburst on the underside too. Thanks for the pics. Brad Sarno |
Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 02 April 2004 08:04 AM
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Duncan- if you send me the pix I'll be glad to post 'em for you... no April Foolin'zbcustom73@dvanet.net quote: "to...be publicly hazed and humiliated and have a giant Z and B tatooed on each cheek."
but the SOUND is worth it! a ZB tattoo, eh? Hmmm....
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Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 02 April 2004 12:01 PM
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Duncan's pending ZB:one two three |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 02 April 2004 03:00 PM
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Duncan I thought that mine was in good condition. You have a rare one here. Treasure it. They are hard to find in this condition. |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 02 April 2004 05:55 PM
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Hey Folks, Just heard from the owner. He says it is ready to ship just as soon as he gets the $$$. Can y'all tell that I'm excited? And Kevin, I will treasure it like you wouldn't believe. DuncanThanks to David Van Allen for posting the pictures. Dave, ya done good...real good.[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 02 April 2004 at 08:10 PM.] |
Bill Cook Member From: Montgomery, Alabama, USA
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posted 05 April 2004 12:43 PM
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Larry, I co-own a S-11 ZB which is presently being restored by a gentleman in Mississippi. I actually own it but let my partner in on halves. It is serial # 0021. My partner did a lot of research on this guitar, and says he believes it was Johnny Paycheck's Guitar. The man I bought the guitar from is deceased so I cannot verify this information. Anyway, I know it is playable, a S-11 with Bakersfield LOGO. If you know more about # 0021 or if anyone knows more about this guitar, would appreciate the info. Bill. |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 07 April 2004 07:44 AM
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Hi Bill:Welcome to the ZB family here on the Forum. Your ZB serial #0021 is an early Bakersfield guitar (the serial numbers started at #0001 when the company moved from Scranton, AK) from 1968 or thereabouts. I, too, own an S-11 which has been set up with 4+4. They usually came 5+1. Please be sure to let us know how yours is set up, color, features, and definitely any road stories about your guitar. And congratulations - I'm sure it sounds almost as amazing as it looks... or is that the other way around... ZBest, larry |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 07 April 2004 07:51 AM
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By the way - thanks, bOb, for allowing this thread to keep growing and flowing.Great thread on Zane Beck in the Steel Players section (thanks to Kevin Hatton): http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/006230.html ZBest, lc |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 08 April 2004 05:05 PM
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Hey Folks, Well, the beautiful and fantastic sounding ZB arrived from Texas today. It looks incredible and sounds amazing. Larry, the serial number is 0098. It was originally a D-10. Billy Knowles totally refurbished it as an SD-10 4x6. After he was through it was sold out of Duane's Music in Missouri. A gentleman in Texas bought it in December 2002 and sold it to me. The previous owner had an email from Billy Knowles stating that he felt sure it was a Bakersfield ZB from when Tom Brumley owned the company. I'm sending a couple of pictures to Dave Van Allen in the hopes that he can post them showing the ZB in its new home with its very happy owner. By the way Dave, it looks like I'm going to be in Doylestown for a couple of days next week. Either Mon-Tues, or Wed.Duncan[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 08 April 2004 at 07:31 PM.] |
Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 08 April 2004 07:12 PM
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Duncan; congrats, Man! She's a beauty! We'll definitely have to get our babies together for a "play date"--check your email I'll supply the Fender amps...picture 1 picture 2 BTW-Nice shirt... "hey now." [This message was edited by Dave Van Allen on 08 April 2004 at 07:18 PM.] |
Dave Zirbel Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 08 April 2004 10:56 PM
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See my thread about Rusty Young. http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/006275.htmlHe talks about ZBs. Larry - thanks for letting play your ZB at the jam. Tone to the bone!!!! Can hardly wait to get mine. ------------------ Dave Zirbel- Sho-Bud Super Pro, 8 x 5, ZB Custom D-10 8 x 5, Webb 6-14E, Fender Vibrasonic Custom, The Mother Truckers
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Bill Cook Member From: Montgomery, Alabama, USA
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posted 09 April 2004 06:28 AM
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Larry, Finally got hold of my partner and this is what he has learned about #0021.The guitar was bought by Johnny Paycheck. Has Paycheck's Driver License number engraved on it. It was set up as an extended E9th with an added 6th, Universal. The 11 string is a 52 guage. It has 7 pedals and 2 knees. Supposley Paycheck played this guitar for about a year with George Jones. The guitar was stolen. I bought the guitar from a journeyman musisian who never quite made it. That was approx. 10 - 12 years ago. He had only 3 pedals hooked up and no knees. All the other pedals and the knees were in the case along with some music sets , songs/key etc. They were all George Jones songs. I played the guitar for about a month. I bought a SHO~BUD and the ZB went to the closet. About a year ago, (while cleaning out closet) I ran across the ZB. I called my Buddy, Don Lynch and gave him the guitar to fix up. Blew his mind with all the pedals and such. Guitar now is being restored in Mississippi by Fred McCullouh sp?. Thats basically what I know about the guitar at this time. Sure wish it could talk. Bet it could tell some good ones. If anyone knows any more about this guitar would love to hear it. Bill Book. |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 15 April 2004 04:56 PM
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Hi Bill:Thanks for the detailed information! I have an old S-11, too, set up with 4 pedals and 4 levers. The 11th string is a .050 guage thanks to Greg Jones advice. Standard Emmons setup, except I have a half-stop on the 2nd string and then lowers both the 2nd and 9th string a half-step after that. My 4th pedal lowers my 10th and 5th strings 1/2 step. This is the same guitar I took down to the steel jam in San Jose a couple of weeks back. It sounded awesome!!! Keep ZGood information coming, everybody! All ZBest, larry |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 21 April 2004 01:56 PM
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Heading to Boston this weekend. Any ZBer's out there live around Beantown?Keep ZInformation coming, too! ZBest, lc |
Pat Kelly Member From: Wentworthville, New South Wales, Australia
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posted 27 April 2004 03:07 AM
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Hey Larry Better get back pronto. the thread is running out of momentum. Haven't got my steel yet but picked up beautiful playing from Tom Brumley on ZB posted recently. Catch the thread when you get back. Bump this for Larry while he's away! |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 05 May 2004 05:08 PM
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Larry, I was wondering if it would be possible to post the master ZB list that you have been compiling. It would be interesting to know who currently owns which one and where they came from. You may have done so earlier in the post, but if so, I am still interested. Duncan
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Phillip Morgan Member From: Orlando, Florida, USA
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posted 11 May 2004 07:32 AM
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Larry I have #1053.It was a D-10 and the body was finished solid black. I bought the guitar in 1985.It was totally disassembled.I build up the E9th neck.I had problems with the C6th neck.Now it's a SD-10.If you want more info and pictures.Shot me a E-mail Later dude Phillip |
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 11 May 2004 09:20 AM
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Just a ZB point of interest. I got to speak with Tom Brumley last week. I finally remembered to ask him what his standard pickup switch position was when he played his ZB. He said the middle one. So most or all of the ZB Brumley stuff was done on position #2. I was messin with #3 for a couple of months recently and I liked the fatness and warmth, but it did lack the edge and sparkle of #2. I find that #1 is neat too if you want to get that old thin Fender type sound. Brad Sarno |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 11 May 2004 10:27 AM
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Hey ZBers!Sorry I've not been in touch with you all and also with ZSuper Thread... I went off and got engaged. Does this mean that my ZBs will sit idle? Only time will tell... (: Naaaaaaah. Brad - thanks for the Tom Brumley info - I THOUGHT SO! AHA! I like switching between all three options. The thin setting is very cutting, almost like an old Fender (but not quite!); the middle setting is clean and super-glassy; the bass setting is pretty fat and round. All good! Duncan - I'm always a little shy about posting other people's email addresses anywhere, but if you'd like to see "the list", I can email the serial numbers and approximate dates. Thanks for asking. Still living in the stone age and almost time to get a ZB website up and running - Greg Jones and Billy Cooper already have their own! Phillip - Yes, please, please send photos - I own a D-10 #1077, which dates back to 1966-67. Which makes yours right around that period - an early Scranton ZB. Very, very nice and pickups handwound by Zane himself. Congratulations. OK, back to wedding planning...(: All ZBest, Larry |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 11 May 2004 02:13 PM
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I also just switched back to the second setting from the third. I find it a clearer tone. |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 11 May 2004 08:00 PM
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Congratulations Larry,I'm getting married on the 22nd of this month. I'm not interested in knowing exactly who owns which one, and I am interested, though, in which serial numbers you have recorded, where the ZB currently resides and about what year and place it was born in. I don't need the email addresses of anyone else. I'm through harassing people and trying to get them to sell me their ZBs, honest. All except for Steve Takacs. I'm resorting to bribery at this point since my threatening and crying like a girl had no effect on him. Have a beautiful engagement Larry! Duncan[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 11 May 2004 at 08:02 PM.] |
Patrick Ickes Member From: Upper Lake, CA USA
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posted 11 May 2004 10:02 PM
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Congratulations Larry. Sorry we didn't see you at Paso Robles. The gig went well, and of course Megan's playing was increadible. Did she tell you I sold my Zum? We'll see you Sunday, PatP.S. No, I'm not looking for a ZB!! |
steve takacs Member From: beijing, china
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posted 12 May 2004 03:26 PM
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Duncan, I heard that comment! No, on second thought, I did not hear it; I'm ZB deaf. steve |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 13 May 2004 09:01 AM
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Don't worry Steve. I love my ZB, sometimes I wish it was a D-10 like yours, though. Just shutup and accept your bribe, I mean your present, that is on its way to North Dakota. I hope it doesn't freeze there. When you get to Florida, stop by. Duncan |
Larry Chung Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 18 May 2004 07:24 AM
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More ZB news keeps arriving. Keep it coming!All ZBest, larry zbguitarinfo@yahoo.com |