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Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 13 January 2003 01:46 PM     profile     
Thanks, Tom, for your very generous offer.

Zbump-away! I have info on nearly 50 ZB guitars. They're all beautiful.

Best to all - and I'm delighted that Tom Brumley is posting on the Forum. ZB! ZB! ZB!

JB Arnold
Member

From: Longmont,Co,USA

posted 14 January 2003 08:22 PM     profile     
Larry
One of the more notable ZB players was Jerry Garcia. I have several pictures of him at one, from the very early 70's, maybe late 60's.


JB

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"All in all, looking back, I'd have to say the best advice anyone ever gave me was 'Hands Up, Don't Move!"
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Bob Blair
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 14 January 2003 08:43 PM     profile     
I believe that Pete Grant still has Jerry's ZB.
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 20 January 2003 12:22 PM     profile     
ZBump - Happy MLK Day!
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 24 January 2003 03:05 PM     profile     
Just got more ZB info from some folks that were "browsing" on the Forum. Keep it coming!

My buddy just bought a ZB D-11-10 and he says it's sweeeet. Greg, you on this one?

Bumpy McBump.
lc

zbguitarinfo@yahoo.com

Tommy White
Member

From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A.

posted 29 January 2003 05:57 AM     profile     
Reading the ZB stories sparked a memory of a ZB guitar I had when I was about 14 years old.
In or around 1973 or 74, I was playing in St.Louis at what I think was one of Scotty's early conventions, where I met Bill Simms at the ZB booth. I was quite taken with the guitars they were displaying, especially a beautiful honey colored D-10 with pearloid inlay and machine jeweled endplates, pedal bar and knee levers. Long story short, Bill and I became friends and I recieved the guitar a week later with the added knee levers I requested. What a guitar. I played the guitar for only a short time, perhaps a year and got side tracked to something else, as we steel players often do.
I did send the guitar back to the factory in Arizona with a note of explaination. I often wonder where that guitar is and what ever happened to the nice Mr. Simms.
T.W.
Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 29 January 2003 07:31 AM     profile     
I'm getting my ZB D-10 out of Jerry Fessenden's shop next week and I can't wait. I love these old guitars.
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 29 January 2003 08:10 AM     profile     
Larry

Just a note to say that I'll be able to locate any ZB pictures or info (serial #s of my three guitars) very shortly; I'll be emptying our storage unit prior to moving house in a week or so.

I haven't figured out how to scan and send pictures yet ( ), even though I have a scanner sitting here! Do you want me to do that?

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Roger Rettig

Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 29 January 2003 04:23 PM     profile     
Thanks, Tommy, Kevin, and Roger:

I'm so delighted that so many Forum members have so many good things to say about ZBs. In the process of compiling this information, I'm amazed that so many players have, at one time or another, played or owned a ZB. There were probably only hundreds made, as far as I can tell. They sure got around, though!

Roger - you're welcome to send the photos to me when you find them and I can scan them and send them back to you ASAP - my folks have the same problem with their VCR! (:

Thanks all - Happy ZB!
lc

HowardR
Member

From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 29 January 2003 07:15 PM     profile     
This one doesn't look too shabby....with 6 hours left and no bids, what's wrong with this picture?

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2503266665&category=2384

Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 29 January 2003 08:16 PM     profile     
It looks to me like it was originally red and most, if not all of the finish has been removed.
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 29 January 2003 08:17 PM     profile     
That's an old one!
B. Greg Jones
Member

From: London, KY USA

posted 29 January 2003 10:53 PM     profile     
That one has been refinished, Jim is right. Ser# 0044, built in Bakersfield around 1968.

Greg

Henning Kock
Member

From: Odder, DK-8300, Denmark, Europe

posted 30 January 2003 10:46 AM     profile     
2.feb.2003,
Hello Larry,
Here are 2 photos of my unusual ZB Custom
S-10DB:
Endplates dressed in calf skin, mechanical parts rebuild reinforced.
Kind regards,
Henning


€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
Now you will learn to speak Danish, when you see these specifications: ! ! !
ZB Custom S-10-DB Pedal Steel Guitar. Serial No.215L
Tilstand: brugt, velholdt
Professionel enkelthalset på dobbelt krop af fugleøje-ahorn. Pude til albuerne.
Aluminiumshals
Emmons Nashville pedalopsætning
Krop: Birdseye Maple (Fugleøje-ahorn) Farve: Natur, klar lakeret.
Endeplader beklædt med kalveskind for ægte western-stil
Pickup: 2 stk George L.s
3 fod-pedaler, 5 knæ-pedaler, professionel = alle træk kan ændres
Tonehøjdeændringssystem: All-pull (stangtræk), triple raise, double lower.
Metaldele er forbedret i kraftigere metal
Unbrako metalstemmeskruer (til stemning af pedaler)
Bell-crancks (vippearme) med 9 huller til afbalancering af pull
10 Shaller guitarstemmeskruer
4 indstillelige (teleskopiske) ben
Kuffert med 3 håndtag og plydsfoer.
Med benpose og stemmenøgle
€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
Henning Kock
(pedal steel guitar, piano, keyboards, vibraphone)
Henning K. Music
111 Aarhusvej
DK-8300 Odder
Denmark,
Europe
phone +45 8654 2959
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e-mail address: henningkmusic@hotmail.com
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webpages:
pedal steel guitar: www.geocities.com/Nashville/1520 www.steelguitardanmark.subnet.dk (information)
.........
piano & keyboard: www.sitecenter.dk/henning-kock www.danskmusik.com/dmfbook/selskab/html/henning_kock.html
.........
and for musical instrument products wholesale (to dealers): www.henningkmusic.subnet.dk


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Henning Kock
Member

From: Odder, DK-8300, Denmark, Europe

posted 02 February 2003 11:29 AM     profile     
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HowardR
Member

From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 02 February 2003 12:19 PM     profile     
yes Henning....I now know my fod from my knae. If I only knew my aelbow from my aess
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 02 February 2003 07:46 PM     profile     
Howard
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 05 February 2003 10:52 AM     profile     
Thanks, everyone, for the info. Please keep it coming. I have some dating information (not the male-female kind, that's your own business...) if you want more info on your ZB. The count is around 50 guitars catalogued right now.

Some PRETTY pictures, too!

zbguitarinfo@yahoo.com

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Larry Chung
ZB D-10 8+4; ZB Custom S-11 4+4; ZB Student Model 3+1 Yeeeeahhh, Bay-Bee.


Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 11 February 2003 09:43 AM     profile     
zbump.
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 18 February 2003 03:12 PM     profile     
ZBump!
Larry Miller
Member

From: Gladeville,TN.USA

posted 18 February 2003 03:13 PM     profile     
Just wanted to be #100
RUSS RICKMANN
Member

From: Houston, TX USA

posted 19 February 2003 07:05 AM     profile     
Larry, back in the late 80s I had Zane build 2 guitars for me. Each was a single 13 string on a D10 body with 7 & 7. He used the same key head and bridge configuration as the 14 string guitars that he built for Julian. I sold both guitars to guys in the Chicago area. Al Horlacher from Barrington, IL and Brad Jackson from the Joliet area. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures or the serial numbers. They were great sounding guitars but a little physical to play because of the amount of pulls....37 total on each guitar. I am of the understanding that these may be the only 13 string that he built. Russ
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 19 February 2003 08:17 AM     profile     
Larry - congratulations! You are #100!!! I'm not sure what you win - maybe some free Rice-a-Roni (the San Francisco treat!) or something? (:

Russ - Thank you for the information about the 13-strings. I always thought Zane stopped at 11 strings... Greg, you get this?

Keep the info coming!

RUSS RICKMANN
Member

From: Houston, TX USA

posted 19 February 2003 10:44 AM     profile     
As an added note Larry, when Terry Wendt was on tour back then, he stopped in and sat in on the 13th string. That is the reason he went with the Fessy 13 string today. Funny how all works out. This was an extended E9 with all of the C6 changes 1/2 step below. The player had to avoid the 9th string on some voicings, but all the changes were there. But thinking back that far, this may have been a Beck brand steel guitar. Time just seems to escape one when having this much fun. Russ
B. Greg Jones
Member

From: London, KY USA

posted 19 February 2003 01:17 PM     profile     
Larry, those 13 stringers that Zane built were BMI guitars. Julian Tharpe had a 14 stinger built for him too. Early 80's, Zane built, would be the BMI guitar. He started BMI in 1974. I think there are some 12-string ZB's out there. I have never seen one with more than 12, but that doesn't mean anything.

I have Ser# 1098 D-10, Scranton guitar shipping to me next week. It is going to undergo a full restoration. It was built about April 1967, from what the owner has told me. It belonged to his father and he remembers him calling Zane and ordering the guitar.

Isn't this ser# pretty close to your D-10?

Greg

RUSS RICKMANN
Member

From: Houston, TX USA

posted 19 February 2003 01:34 PM     profile     
B.Greg Jones you are correct.....they were BMI guitars. Thanks for joggin' my memory. ha ! Sorry Larry....Russ
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 19 February 2003 02:35 PM     profile     
Hi Greg and Russ:

Thanks for the info. I figured that these would be BMIs as I've heard Greg mention about Zane selling the company back in the early 70s.

Greg, I've got #1077 - it's not leaving my living room ... unless I start working out again (:

Here's a small sample of some serial numbers I found (with alot of help from all of you!):
#1062 - S-10 4+2
#1072 - S-10 3+1
#1077 - D-10 8+3 (Mine! plus one lever)
#1086 - D-10 8+2
#1092 - S-10 3+2
#1098 - D-10 8+4

Mine's an early 1966, I think, and the rest run up through '67 and '68.

Greg, check your email, buddy (little b), it's time to UPGRADE!

Best to all
ZB!
lc

Earl Yarbro
Member

From: Bowie, Texas, USA

posted 20 February 2003 06:37 AM     profile     
My ZB D10 (ser#1108) has a tone and vol. control mounted on the right side. Is this standard on ZB's?
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 20 February 2003 12:36 PM     profile     
Hi Earl:

Yes, definitely, the tone and volume knobs were part of the standard ZB setup. My ZBs all have them (except my student model). The pots usually burn out on them (after 30 years...) but they are a valuable part of the dating of a guitar, too, so if you replace them, keep an eye on the serial and manufacturer's codes on them. They can tell you alot about the approximate age of the guitar.

More serial number info:
#1108 - YOURS! D-10
#1133 - D-10 8+2 Just sold on Ebay
#1138 - S-10 3+1 (now a 3+5)

Yours looks to be a 1968 or so and #1138 is of the same vintage; from the info I have gathered. #1138 is the highest #1XXX number I have collected to date, which makes some sense because evidently, when Zane Beck turned the company over to Tom Brumley (68?) the numbers started from #0001. The oldest ZB I have on record is Greg Jones' #1037 and another ZB with serial #1034, both circa 1965.

Greg Jones, does this sound about right?
(:
larry

B. Greg Jones
Member

From: London, KY USA

posted 20 February 2003 01:53 PM     profile     
Larry, looks like you have a pretty good grip on the serial number scheme. But until some sales receipts turn up we are still flying a little bit blind. When Tom and Bill moved the company from Scranton to Bakersfield, sometime in 68' I believe, they were still using up the stock and parts that Zane had made in Scranton. The Bakersfield guitars look like the Scranton ones and they even used the old Scranton CZB decals on some of them. An example would be Chick Donner's D-11-10, ser#0013, ordered from Zane, built in Bakersfield, and with a CZB Scranton Decal!!! It now has the newer style decal on it. This one was ordered the same day as #0017, by Jim Florence. Jim ordered a D-11. Same scenario but with a ZB-Bakersfield decal.

I have also talked with some owners of the Texas built ZBs by Tom Brumley when he had sole ownership of the company. Tom used a completly different serial number scheme.

Here is another example, I have a S-11 on a double frame, that was Tom's personal guitar. It even comes with some hit records under it's belt. Serial# 3006, built around 1979, in Texas. 4 floors and 7 knees.

Let me know if you need pics of this one, don't know if I sent them to you or not.

ZB Custom, what a great thread!!!!!!

Greg

Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 22 February 2003 11:49 AM     profile     
Thanks, Greg, for the vote of confidence. Definitely send the photos and - EVERYONE ELSE - please send photos of your ZBs and any info or stories you may have about Zane Beck, ZBs, BMIs.

All of this information is helpful!!!

Thanks -
Larry

zbguitarinfo@yahoo.com

Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 24 February 2003 04:00 AM     profile     
I just bought one and it's being shipped as I type. I can't wait to get my greedy little fingers on it!! I'm sure I'll post a couple of questions in a couple of days. Hope you fellas can help me out.
John Borchard
Member

From: Athens, OH 45701

posted 24 February 2003 12:16 PM     profile     
Man, what a great thread! Thanks, Larry and Greg and all the other fellow forumites that have chimed in. Where else could you find a wealth of information like this?

Greg, feel free to send pics of my ZB to Larry. You could do a before and after series. It will be interesting to see how it runs after you drop the front end, add racing slicks, and install a spoiler . Good to see you at the gig!

John Borchard

Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 24 February 2003 03:03 PM     profile     
Hi John:

Thank you for your kind words - it's my great pleasure to be keeping this thread going (with the help of so many great folks out there) dedicated to ZB guitars. Greg Jones is the 'keeper of the key', too, as his help with all the details and ZB history continues to educate me, too!

According to my history and serial numbers, your ZB may be the earliest serial number (#1034) around. Congrats! Greg, sounds like you have at least a few ZB restorations going on...

The sound I hear and the feeling I get when I sit behind any one of my ZBs is wonderful. It makes me feel so good knowing that others (young and old) all around the world can do the same.

zbguitarinfo@yahoo.com

lc

B. Greg Jones
Member

From: London, KY USA

posted 24 February 2003 08:20 PM     profile     
John, I will definetly get some pics!!! I want some with both of our guitars together since they are sisters. I hope you don't mind that I have already refinished it in "Hot Pink". I just sprayed it over the whole guitar, right outta the can, made the endplates look good too!!!! Heh Heh. Now if I could just get the "Jifflin Rod" to connect to the "Kanooder Valve", this guitar should turn the 1/4 mile in under 9 seconds.

John, you sounded great Friday nite. That Bassman is THE amp. That thing was really cookin'. It even looked like you knew what you were doing!!!! Ha Ha!!!

For those of you that don't know, John Borchard is not only a steel player. He is one of the tastiest guitar players I have ever heard. Always plays the "right thing", pulls killer tone, and uses good old vintage gear to do it on!!!

Later Y'all, I got some ZB's to work on!!!

Greg

Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 26 February 2003 03:51 AM     profile     
DANG IT!!!!!!! IT'S SNOWING AGAIN!!! and I was hoping that my new (well, new to me) ZB would show up on the door step today. Heck, the way the weather has been around here I'll probably get it around May . Phooey!
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 26 February 2003 09:08 AM     profile     
Hey Chris:

Don't worry about it ... rest assured that when it arrives, you'll have trouble leaving the house, snow or no snow... (:

Do you know what the serial number is or the scoop on the setup, color, etc.?

Here's to clear roads!
lc

Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 26 February 2003 09:54 AM     profile     
Hey Chris- what is it- a D10?...

welcome to the ZB club, man. (although Ricky D's Pro makes me want to joint the So~Bud club too.... )

I Hope you'll be very happy with it.

Chris Forbes
Member

From: Beltsville, MD, USA

posted 26 February 2003 11:16 AM     profile     
Yes, it's a D-10, don't know the serial # yet. That's one of the questions I was going to post as soon as I get my grubby littles hands all over it! Dave, I'm sure I'll dig it, and I'm hoping we'll get a chance to hang out again where you'll get a chance to play it. But next time you have to promise to show me at least one cool lick!!
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 01 March 2003 07:34 PM     profile     
Hey Chris:

Let us all know when you get it!

Great to see other ZB posts on the Forum, too.

ZBump.


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