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Author Topic:   ZB Pedal Steel Guitars - Please help!
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 21 March 2006 10:27 AM     profile     
Hey Duncan, Kevin, and Chuck and ZBFolk:

What Kevin said is true, true, true. Make sure you change your strings, oil and lube, and then check the return spring, in that order (IMO), to get the best performance from your lower lever and an in-tune return.

I'm always astounded at how much maintenance can be avoided on ZBs by just changing the strings and oiling up.

Still looking for contact info for the Beck clan, too.

All ZBest,
LC

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 30 March 2006 02:33 PM     profile     
ZBers.

I am now a ZB Custom owner. Found one about 15 miles from my house. It is the one that was on Ebay a few days ago. Got down to the last day or so and the owner decided to pull it off and we agreed on a price and I bought it home. It is a D10 8/2 that once was blue but has faded. Beautiful maple. All original and in very nice shape with the original case. Pot date code is 1968 but the serial number is a bit odd according to LC. 00781. We are not sure about the number 1 on the end. Definatly a Bakersfield guitar.

Anyway, I will be tweaking and cleaning and adjusting on it and will report later on the results. Just wanted to let you guys know that these do pop up every now and then when you least expect it.

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 30 March 2006 03:25 PM     profile     
Congratulations Bill. If you need any help let us know.
Chick Donner
Member

From: North Ridgeville, OH USA

posted 02 April 2006 08:15 PM     profile     
I dug out my D 11-10 ZB (sn 0013) and played it at a jam today for the 1st time in about 3 or 4 years `. . . forgot what tremendous tone it's got, and THAT with 10 year old strings!!
Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 16 April 2006 07:29 PM     profile     
Hello Folks,
In case anyone was looking for, what appears to me to be, a great ZB D-10, contact Jim Palenscar at Steel Guitars of North County. Unfotunately, it is so close to the ZB D-10 that I currently have, or I would be very interested. DISCLAIMER...I have no connections to the organization that is selling this beautiful instrument.
Hope that it finds a good home.
Duncan

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:51 AM     profile     
Duncan,

I saw you checking out David's Sho~Bud! Shame on you....looked good!

Russ

Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:30 PM     profile     
Hey Russ,
Greg Jones is restoring a Sho~Bud, at least I think that I thought that I might have heard that before I had that thought that I thought I had, so I guess I'm in good company, unless I'm included which makes the company not so good...I think.
I hope this clears a few things up.
Duncan
Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:49 PM     profile     
Duncan,
Truth be told, I had a great Sho~Bud D10 Professional from 1970. It was a great guitar but I'm happy with my ZB.

See ya,
Russ

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 17 April 2006 08:43 PM     profile     
Thats interesting Russ. I too sold a mint condition Professional to get into ZB's. A friend of mine here in Buffalo just bought that D-10 off ebay because he heard mine and is now a believer. Once you hear that sound its hard to deny it.

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 17 April 2006 at 10:32 PM.]

Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 17 April 2006 09:39 PM     profile     
Hey Kevin, Russ and Duncan:

All I gotta say is... "Testify!"

Been playing my D-10 lately and compared it to the sound of my S-10 and S-11. It's the same tone!!!

All ZBest to you all -

LC

Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 18 April 2006 08:34 PM     profile     
Hello Folks,
Just got a lead on yet another ZB, not the one that I posted the picture of a few posts ago. The only problem is that I may have to part with my SD-10 in order to afford it. That's it...I'm gonna go right down to that support group ZBNA. I have already taken the first step and have admitted that "I am powerless over the allure of a ZB and that my desire to own more ZBs has become unmanageable".
What's a poor boy to do?
Duncan

[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 18 April 2006 at 08:35 PM.]

Chuck McGill
Member

From: Jackson, Tn

posted 19 April 2006 04:08 AM     profile     
Duncan. You've escaped that river in Egypt and well on the road to buying another ZB. I think some addictions are necessary to take our feeble minds else where. Now repeat
after me. Hi. I'm (insert your name)a ZB -forum-aholic. Please Sir may I have another?

[This message was edited by Chuck McGill on 20 April 2006 at 03:38 AM.]

Chris Erbacher
Member

From: Sausalito, California, USA

posted 19 April 2006 10:46 AM     profile     
duncan, could you post some info on the zb lead you have? thanks
Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 19 April 2006 02:00 PM     profile     
the signature says it all:

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"I've got the 'ZB Jeebies™' !"

"Pickin' it 'old school' on the Pedizzle Stizzle"
1998 Zumsteel U12 "Loafer" 8&6 :: 1973 ZB Custom D-10 8&5 :: '69 Thinline Tele RI :: Vintage Fender 'Tube' Amplification

www.dvanet.net :: zbcustom73@dvanet.net :: www.lasttrainhome.com
:: My Tribute to the Hot Club of America in Hi-Fi
::A Zumsteel Picture Gallery:: A ZBCustom Picture Gallery

Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 20 April 2006 05:07 PM     profile     
Hey Chris, I'm still waiting on some pictures at the present time. I'd like to take a look at it first. If I decide to pass on it I'll ask the owner if I can show some of the pictures around.
Duncan

[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 20 April 2006 at 05:07 PM.]

Jon Knudtson
New Member

From: Yuma, Arizona

posted 22 April 2006 02:34 PM     profile     
Kevin Hatton just made me a set of split cases for my long body ZB D10. Great fit, great construction, saves several very significant pounds. Gotta love those wheels.
I would certainly recommend them to all of us that wince when we even think about that first part of the lift.
Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 23 April 2006 01:51 PM     profile     
The spilt cases I am making take an average of 15 lbs. off the weight of the body case. Also, I mount external wheels on the body case with a spring handle at the other end for easy transport. It pretty much settles the weight issue. They have hand lind plush interiors and are in the presentation class as far as cases go. Premium hardware only. The cases are light but strong. Reinforced at all stress points. I have to say that I am proud of these cases. They are really nice. Standard covering is black durable chip resistent Tolex, but I can do them in Fender Tweed, Red, Python, or some other colors for an extra charge. Interiors in black, blue, red, green, zebra, or leapord. You can email me for pictures.

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 23 April 2006 at 01:54 PM.]

Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 23 April 2006 06:52 PM     profile     
Hello Chris, and the rest of you folks,
I have received some information on, in my opinion, a very beautiful and resonably priced ZB D-11 8x4 that is for sale. I just cannot afford it without selling one of mine. I don't know the owner, other than exchanging a few emails, and have no financial interest in this ZB. I would love to have a D-11, and if I had the dough I might be all over it. I have explained the expected donation to the owner if it happens to be sold through the SGF. I have many more pictures if you would like to see them.
For Larry, it is serial number 0543.
Duncan

chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 23 April 2006 09:44 PM     profile     
quote:
Been playing my D-10 lately and compared it to the sound of my S-10 and S-11. It's the same tone!!!
You realize, of course, how unusual this is. My experience has been that 6-string guitars sound better than 8-string guitars, sound better than 10-stringers, sound better than 12-stringers. And double necks sound better than single necks. Although, I used to play a triple neck 10-string guitar and each neck sounded diffferent. So I tried swapping the pickups and that wasn't it. I wrote it off to voodoo.
Larry Chung
Member

From: San Francisco, CA, USA

posted 23 April 2006 11:04 PM     profile     
Hey Chas:

I didn't mean for what I wrote to be interpreted as "one guitar sounds better than another". What I meant to say was that they all share the same tone - in the same way as a '54 Tele sounds alot like a '55 Tele, and so forth.

To be sure, I have my favorite ZB on any given day, but whether it's an S-10, S-11 or D-10 (I have at least one of each these days...), they all have that unmistakeable ZB-ness to them. Incidentally, the overall tone, sustain, string definition, and voice is pretty amazing on my '67 D-10, but the '69 S-10 is heads and shoulders above my other 70s D-10.

I don't know if I can make the statement about body size and "better sound" - I just haven't found that to be the case all of the time.

But I hope this will not keep any of you away from your ZBs. (;

LC

Pat Kelly
Member

From: Wentworthville, New South Wales, Australia

posted 23 April 2006 11:30 PM     profile     
Duncan, Do you expect the guy to list the ZB on the Forum? Do you intend to field enquiries or is there a contact for the seller? Love to see any pics you may have, especially underneath.

Regards Pat.

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 24 April 2006 08:07 AM     profile     
Thanks for the pictures and info Duncan.

Russ

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 24 April 2006 08:59 AM     profile     
What is the "reasonable price" on the ZB?
Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 24 April 2006 03:00 PM     profile     
Hey guys, I am just the in between. I am asking the owner, as I write, if I can either post it outright for her, yes it is a her, or send the inquiries to her. Hopefully, more tonight. At present time the asking price is "around" $1,300.
Duncan

[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 24 April 2006 at 05:45 PM.]

Ben Elder
Member

From: La Crescenta, California, USA

posted 24 April 2006 03:33 PM     profile     
I don't mean to divert focus from this very cool D-11, but the pictures bring up a couple of questions.

I've seen black (with and without holes on the edges) and white (with holes on the edges) pickup tops. Is there any timeline that these suggest? Any reason for the holes? Were black and white used interchangeably?

Was the ZB decal/sticker on the pedal bar a later (later than Bakersfield, let's say) addition?

Is the patterning seen here on on the endplates and metal parts a factory or after-factory touch?

[This message was edited by Ben Elder on 24 April 2006 at 06:35 PM.]

chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 24 April 2006 06:16 PM     profile     
As I recall, the patterning, also know as "pearling" and "engine turning", is original.

Larry, I suppose that it's not a hard and fast rule. I have some same-model lap steels in both 6-string and 10-string, and the 6-string guitars sound noticably better than the 10 stringers. By the same token, I have a D-12 guitar, that I've done a lot of work to and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as it should, but then, I built a close-tolerance single neck 9-string pedal guitar, where the neck and the console were machined as a single unit. It sounded better than I thought it should have.

[This message was edited by chas smith on 24 April 2006 at 06:28 PM.]

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 24 April 2006 09:01 PM     profile     
I just got serial # 085 in for restoration. Its a typical neglected ZB mess. It breaks my heart to see these old ZB's in this shape. Corroded. I will post photos of the before and after. I'm going to make this one sing. Its going to shine like a fire engine.
Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 26 April 2006 09:49 AM     profile     
Its interesting. Everyone that hears my ZB rig gets turned on to the ZB sound. My friend here in Buffalo had the same experience I had when I first heard a ZB. Now he is a believer.
Lyle Clary
Member

From: Decatur, Illinois, USA

posted 26 April 2006 11:25 AM     profile     
Went to a steel guitar show in Benton Illinois over the weekend. Besides my D10 serial # 0154 which everyone enjoyed hearing, there was one D10 for sale serial# 0062 for $1800. Another steel player had one at home with serial # 0066. Let me know if anyone is interested in the one for sale and I can get you in touch with the owner.

------------------
1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure

chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 26 April 2006 09:14 PM     profile     
Well, concerning the red ZB custom that Duncan posted above. This morning I got an e-mail from the owner that she was going to sell it to someone else. That was close.

I would have like to have gotten it, but I'm looking at the experience as a "parity". Last year I "snagged" a guitar out the "back door" of a pawn shop, and there were some unhappy people. ZB has restored the balance of the universe.

I need to change my meds.....

Pat Kelly
Member

From: Wentworthville, New South Wales, Australia

posted 27 April 2006 07:18 AM     profile     
Chas, Glad we haven't met. yet. hidiho
Chris Erbacher
Member

From: Sausalito, California, USA

posted 27 April 2006 08:25 AM     profile     
if anyone knows where an s-10 zb is located for sale, i am interested. i think it would be nice to lighten the load a bit. keep me in mind when you hear about one, does anyone know why it seems so hard to find an s-10 zb?
Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 27 April 2006 09:01 AM     profile     
Because everyone is trying to lighten the load.
Chris Erbacher
Member

From: Sausalito, California, USA

posted 27 April 2006 11:19 AM     profile     
right right...
chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 27 April 2006 02:45 PM     profile     
Pat, if that was you who got it, that's a nice looking guitar. Congratulations.
cheers
chas
Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 27 April 2006 03:54 PM     profile     
Hello Folks,
The deal on the ZB I posted was a little screwy to say the least. I originally just posted the pictures to show what it looked like...at least I think that was what I was doing. The owner has promised to send a donation to the Forum because the leads came from here. I received no monetary compensation, but did met a nice person, the owner, through the deal. To those who didn't get it I'd like to pass on that she had a really tough time deciding on who to sell it to and didn't want to start a bidding war.
If someone ever offers me a deal on a ZB that I can't afford in the future, I'm just going to offer to post it outright. It was uncomfortable being the go between.
I did remember that I still owe b0b a donation which will be in the mail real soon.
Duncan

[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 27 April 2006 at 03:55 PM.]

[This message was edited by Duncan Hodge on 27 April 2006 at 06:40 PM.]

Russ Tkac
Member

From: Waterford, Michigan, USA

posted 27 April 2006 05:58 PM     profile     
For those of you who are interested...the buyer of the D11 is my friend Jeff. I've been looking for a steel for him and when this one came up I told him to jump on it. He has been wanting to buy my D11/10 so this helps me keep mine! I'm sorry you missed out Chas...but I'll keep an eye out for you so I don't have to sell you mine.

Russ

chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 27 April 2006 08:50 PM     profile     
Russ thank you, on the plus side, it means I don't have to explain another guitar to my darling.

Duncan, again, thank you for your efforts.

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 05 May 2006 10:20 PM     profile     
All those guys on that other thread talking about how tone is all in the hands. I don't think any of them have heard a ZB Custom through a Webb. I think a couple of them would change their minds. I did.

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 05 May 2006 at 10:24 PM.]

Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 10 May 2006 06:41 PM     profile     
Hey folks! Here is a link that Brendan Mitchell posted in the Steel Players section of the Forum. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeGuwZxXJPQ&search=manassas%20stills
Great ZB stuff. Great time capsule images of Stephen Stills, Chris Hillman, Al Perkins and Dallas Taylor back when they were kids.
I hope that all the mothers of you "ZB nuts" have a great Mother's Day.
Duncan

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