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Topic: ZB Pedal Steel Guitars - Please help!
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Larry Behm
Member From: Oregon City, Oregon
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posted 13 September 2005 04:58 AM
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Wow 800 posts who would ever have guessed a tread would last this long.Larry Behm |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 13 September 2005 11:06 AM
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Is this thread drifting?[This message was edited by Curt Langston on 15 April 2006 at 03:47 PM.] |
Rex Thomas
Member From: Thompson's Station, TN
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posted 13 September 2005 11:18 AM
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I disagree.
This thread has stayed on the topic. Looking over pg. 20, it was bucket o' ZB's with related info, no straying, name calling, etc., just good ol' ZB lovers talking about their ZB steels.
I salute you folks.
Charge on, ZB! (& your thread too!) |
George Redmon
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posted 13 September 2005 01:20 PM
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ZB...is a great great steel guitar..i really enjoyed Zanes LP's..i have several..it may sound kinda dumb...but i just love his "Zane Becks Plays THe ZB Student Steel" record. Some nice nice chord work...i sure miss Zane..he was a great guy. |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 13 September 2005 02:47 PM
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Curt like Bob said, if you don't like it, don't read it. It is full of valuable information to fellow ZB players. You sound like you have an alternative agenda. |
Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 13 September 2005 06:33 PM
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I don't know...it seems to be about ZB guitars. As long as b0b thinks it's OK what's the problem?One of these days it will probably stop, then again........   [This message was edited by b0b on 14 September 2005 at 12:43 PM.] |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 14 September 2005 06:51 AM
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quote:
You sound like you have an alternative agenda.
No alternative agenda. Just stated that I thought it was drifting, thats all.[This message was edited by Curt Langston on 15 April 2006 at 03:49 PM.] |
Rex Thomas
Member From: Thompson's Station, TN
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posted 14 September 2005 07:04 AM
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As long as it stays with the topic of ZB guitars, my guess is that b0b could care less if it breaks 1000 & goes beyond that. Potential ZB owners should be tickled to have such a great support group.
Gorgeous guitar, Russ!
Though this might've been answered, anyone know the whereabouts of the black & m.o.p. inlay ZB that Gene O' Neal used to have back in the '70's? |
Ben Elder
Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 14 September 2005 03:01 PM
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I wrote this last night and filed it away but SOMEBODY won't give it up in the face of all logic, evidence and gentle correction. So here goes:ZB Please Help: far and away the best thread on the Forum. (Honorable mention to any place Farris Currie and Ricky Davis make their marks.) I'm searching a certain declaimer's various posts thinking I might find a hitherto undiscovered superior bounty of wisdom, insight and knowledge. Damnedest thing: no luck so far, despite all the arrogant superiority the anti-ZB post wishes it conveys. I hope said declaimer is a recent arrival to the Sooner State, because if he's a native, his ill-thought jack-booted campaign, as a secondary effect, is an undeserved but nevertheless damning reflection on me. Let's hope that Curt Response will henceforth play--or do whatever he does--in his own sandbox. Me-OW![This message was edited by Ben Elder on 14 September 2005 at 03:02 PM.] |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 14 September 2005 06:19 PM
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Larry, the answer is no. ZB started making long throws in the early seventies. You can tell a long throw by looking at the tuning end plate. The C6th side staggers on the bottom edge of the endplate making it deeper that the E9th sied looking at the endplate from the back. The short throw endplates bottom edge is just straight accross. The wisdom was to make an easier playing pedal action by increasing the throw leverage just a bit. I believe all the non horned ZB's are long throws as they were made in the late seveties and eighties. |
Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 14 September 2005 06:41 PM
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Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 14 September 2005 06:42 PM
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Gee Ben, thats some mighty big words there. Do you even know what you said? I think you may have gotten tripped up in your logic.(or lack of) Anyhoo, I did not mean to offend anyone.........------------------
I'd rather be opinionated, than apathetic! |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 14 September 2005 08:49 PM
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Thanks Russ for the picture. Hey man, don't forget to crimp your tuners so they don't creep (not too hard or you'll twist the tuning screw off the finger). |
Ben Elder
Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 14 September 2005 10:05 PM
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Either bring something positive to the ZB thread, Curt, or fuh cough. You're a pain in the pac-a-seat to folks into ZBs. (Dem woids sho't 'nuff f' ye?) |
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
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posted 15 September 2005 03:32 AM
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Wow! Somebody is going to blow a gasket! Take it easy there Benny. You need to lighten up and try some relaxation techniques. ------------------
I'd rather be opinionated, than apathetic! [This message was edited by Curt Langston on 15 April 2006 at 03:52 PM.]
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Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 15 September 2005 04:58 AM
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Kevin,The ZB above is not mine. I found a picture of one Tom Bradshaw restored. Russ |
Charlie McDonald
Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA
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posted 19 September 2005 05:06 AM
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This post is a community service. It seems to be the happiest club on the forum.For instance: would somebody/several take a look at this and post a response? I was interested in a student ZB a while back.
This is nice. http://portland.craigslist.org/msg/94501075.html |
Russ Tkac
Member From: Waterford, Michigan, USA
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posted 19 September 2005 10:14 AM
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See this post above.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/011098.html Russ |
Ben Elder
Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 20 September 2005 12:52 AM
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Don't give up your day job, if any, Curt. You and Katrina are pretty much tied in the league standings for Ambassadors of Humor, Wit and Joie de Vivre.Now (and by now, I mean several days ago), gentlemen and ladies, with Amateur Night at Gigglzzz a receding and unfortunate memory, let's get back to those machines Zane built, created and inspired. (Curt, you can go try out your new stuff--you do have new stuff dontcha, or is it just that close-the-ZB-thread line for the umpty-ninth time?-- over on the Humor Section (broadly defined)).[This message was edited by Ben Elder on 20 September 2005 at 12:54 AM.] |
Mike Vallandigham
Member From: Concord, CA
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posted 20 September 2005 08:19 AM
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Question..
What do you guys use for lube when re-assembling a changer before putting it in the guitar?I have my E-9 neck apart for funk removal. Mike |
Bob Mainwaring
Member From: Qualicum Beach Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
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posted 22 September 2005 10:19 PM
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First time for a long time since I was here in "Z.B. Land" Regarding Jim Hussey's posting......was/is there a list of numbers anywhere to be reached??
My SD10 is 0649
D10 is 0588
Any info' would be greatly appreciated.Big Bad Bob. |
Larry Chung
Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 22 September 2005 10:51 PM
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Hey Bob:Welcome back. Here's what I can tell you without having seen either guitar. The serial numbers (0500s and 0600s) are most likely from the mid-70s and made in Phoenix, perhaps in Texas. If you can post a photo or two, it would help greatly. But, failing that, here's a list of a few things to check: 1. Do the guitars have the famous ZB "horns" at the changer mount and the keyhead? ZBs had shorter cut-off ends in the late 70s and early 80s. 2. Do the pedals have the waffle pattern on them? Definitely a 70s model. 3. Any fancy inlay? I've seen a few later ZBs (late 70s) that had a fancy, almost mother of pearl inlay pattern - much fancier than the already fancy wood inlay. 4. Do they have the tone and volume and by-pass controls? Alot of the later ones are missing these... Hope this helps. All ZBest - glad to know you're still around!
LC |
Duncan Hodge
Member From: DeLand, FL USA
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posted 07 October 2005 06:52 PM
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I'm submitting my post on account of nobody else has for the past 15 days. We who are of the ZB persuasion should not be made to feel "less than" by those who don't understand us. So what if our pitiable guitars have incomprehensible mechanics made out of motorcycle spokes. They still look the best and sound the best, at least to us and that's what counts. Plus, Jerry played one and I love to listen to Jerry.
Also, I wouldn't have found my fantastic ZB, if it weren't for this post. I would, however, like to ask Andrew, again, if I could buy back the one I stupidly sold to a guy who sold it to him. This was also a result of this post.
In any event, or occurance, I submit this post for bumping and will continue to do so until either Andrew, or Steve Takacs sells me their ZB.
Best wishes, Duncan
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Lyle Clary
Member From: Decatur, Illinois, USA
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posted 07 October 2005 07:19 PM
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I would never sell my ZBD10 but am thinking of getting something a little more easy to play but with the same rich sound. Any ideas out there among you ZB Nuts?------------------
1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure
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Larry Chung
Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 07 October 2005 10:50 PM
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Hey Duncan and Lyle:Thanks for the bump. Just returned from a show here in SF where my ZB S-11 through my Webb sounded GREAT. Super thick and creamy! Lyle, if you're looking for a ZB-esque guitar that's a bit lighter, may I suggest a BMI? They're very well built, sound great, and ... have the ZB pedigree... (: Keep the ZB info coming. BTW - I know 2-3 people here in the SF Bay Area who are looking for ZBs (no, not me or any of my relatives). They're starting to get scarce! All ZBest,
Larry |
Brendan Mitchell
Member From: Melbourne Australia
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posted 07 October 2005 11:23 PM
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Hey Lyle
How about a ZB S10 ?
Brendan |
Bob Mainwaring
Member From: Qualicum Beach Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
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posted 10 October 2005 10:58 AM
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Hey Larry, Many thank's for the kind words.
It's good to be back again like I said.
Both my Z.B.s must be from the 70s as thay are both equiped with large horns and both have the switches as mentioned.
There are no inlays as the "fretboards" are both made from plastic and apparently have the same configuaration of markings that have been "etched" into them.
The D10 has much shorter outside tubing for the leggs though. With being tall, I have had to make up spacers for the SD10 to enable me to get my big legs "under" it. Big Bad Bob. |
Larry Chung
Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 11:57 AM
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Hi Bob and ZBers:Just a clarification about the "inlays" I spoke of earlier on this page. They're not fingerboard inlays, but rather, decorative stripes along the side of the necks, just like the body purfling as usual for ZBs. I think this was a factory option, but I see very few ZBs that actually have it. One of my ZBs has it, makes a nice and elegant addition to the already classy lines and style. All ZBest,
LC |
Lyle Clary
Member From: Decatur, Illinois, USA
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posted 11 October 2005 03:31 PM
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I have the inlays on my '69 D10------------------
1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure
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Lyle Clary
Member From: Decatur, Illinois, USA
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posted 11 October 2005 03:32 PM
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I have the inlays on my '69 D10------------------
1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure
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Larry Chung
Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 15 October 2005 05:36 PM
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Golly, I had so much planned for today... then I sat down at my D-10 through my new (old) Webb 6-14E. Well, I just got up from my steel, and the sun is now setting... Holy Moley, what a sound...I wanted to share my settings with you ZBers out there, if any of you want to try your ZBs through the Webb amp - I just can't get over how excellent this combination sounds to my ears. I think Dave Zirbel plays through one, too. Webb settings:
Sensitivity at 3 o'clock
Volume at 9 o'clock
Right-most tone setting (red)
Bass at 2 o'clock
Mid at 9 o'clock
Treble at about 10-11 o'clock
Active EQ Off
Reverb at about 11 o'clock. ZB -> volume pedal -> Webb = Perfection! All ZBest,
LC Hey Kevin - very cool! I didn't mention this above, but I almost always use the middle setting on the guitar pickups, on both necks. Sometime the really thick setting on C6. I use the tone switch as an on/off for the guitar(s).[This message was edited by Larry Chung on 16 October 2005 at 12:45 AM.] |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 15 October 2005 10:16 PM
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Larry, thats my setup also. If you want to hear classic west coast vintage tone thats it. I went throught alot of combinations before arriveing at this final destination. Incredible sound. |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 16 October 2005 07:26 AM
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Yup. ZBs and Webbs are a great combination for sure. Dave Z |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 17 October 2005 09:59 PM
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Just a lube tip for all of you fellow ZB players. Take a can of 3&1. Oil the ball sockets where the connector meets the ball on the pedal. Oil the allen screw on the L brackets for each pedal that connects to the front rail. Most importantly, if your end tuners are loose, crimp them (lightly!!) with a pair of nippers or a pair of needle nose half way up the tuner and they will be snug when you put them back on. If you crimp them too hard you won't get them back on. If you have loose endplate tuners you will creep out of tune as you are playing. Once they are snug the guitar will be rock solid. The oiling of these parts will make a noticeable smoothness in the action if you have not already done so. ZB's need oil. |
Larry Chung
Member From: San Francisco, CA, USA
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posted 31 October 2005 08:58 AM
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In the studio yesterday night and had my ZB S-11 4+4 through a small Fender tube amp. Wow. Mixing board EQ was flat, and I was using the amp's reverb. Great tone, and very quiet, too.A Halloween ZBump!
LC |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 31 October 2005 09:48 AM
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Yes, I did a session last week and used the ZB. Didn't have to work too hard to dial in a good tone. I used the Webb. I'm going to have my second 1969 ZB D-10 refinished this week. DZ |
Chip McConnell
Member From: San Francisco, California, USA
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posted 31 October 2005 07:03 PM
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Dave your post reminded me of some thoughts I had recently regarding re-finishing: there was a time when re-finishing a vintage 6-string guitar seemed like a good idea, but of course now people covet the original finish, no matter how battered, and re-finished guitars are valued significantly lower. Dollar value aside, it seems like a shame when you see a 50's telecaster with an 80's finish on it. Anyway, I wonder if the same will ever apply to steels. Not picking on you of course Dave. You know my ZB S-10: its gone to non-descript gray and I think a re-finish is a good idea. Just curious if anyone else has thought about this. |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 31 October 2005 08:05 PM
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Chip, I've had a number of steel guitars refinished and turned back out into the steel community. In each case I made sure that the original tints were adhered to. The fact is that finishes wear out. I see nothing wrong with refinishing if it is done to look as original. I just don't see the attraction of beat up old guitars whether six string or steels. I've got a refinished ZB D-10 just coming out of restore now that I am going to be putting up for sale. Again original tint. Its stunning. |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 31 October 2005 08:50 PM
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Quit picking on me Chip!  The vintage guitar thing is different than the vintage steel thing. I see the value going up on the ZB after I refinish it. I personally wouldn't pay more for an old beat up steel. DZ[This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 01 November 2005 at 07:23 AM.] |
Ben Elder
Member From: La Crescenta, California, USA
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posted 31 October 2005 08:56 PM
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Chip,If that S-10 is #0248, I'd be happy to have it back (can we talk?) as is, especially after Billy Knowles' structural triage. (Almost cried over my eBay photos of it from '02 the other day...) |
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